We have a lot to learn from the chinese, Thats my philosophy by the way. Ill try to be brief and cover a broad range: Dont reinvent the wheel, the shortest distance between two points, no matter who discovered it is a straight line. Look at who is doing the best, buy their stuff, tear it apart and make it better. Use it to learn best practice, accelerate learning and deploy yours. (then sell it to third world countries - kidding). There is a good reason why people go to the established brands, they have the benefit of experience. Any other way in ignorance to the rest would mean followint the path to discovery, and falling into the same or similar pits they did. Why do that? its costly. As phares asks, what is the limit to Kenyanization. Honestly if the limit is defined by what one person defines it as here on the list, isnt that making that person (aki in this case) the moral authority in defining the limits. Can we trust one person to define whats good for us? If kenyanize we must, then the first task i would give you Bw aki and Mister Watchman is tell us, convince us and justify what kenyanization would entail. (Remember bro there are many avenues of skinning this rat, including fronting a mututho like legislation that would in essence disrupt the game plans of what i call the "axis of evil". Onto the axis of evil, there apparently are issues raised on this list a while back on the integrity of some officers and some disparities in how they have handled their offices. Thanks to current legislation and an emboldened judiciary, i know for a fact there are people working on putting together a case. Hopefully Kenya has changed enough and where our money was lost it shall be recovered and where impropriety happened it shall be dealt with. Lastly, It is usually a good idea if you back up whatever allegations you say with proof. especially when they tough on persons, organizations or groups hitherto regarded as respectable. that way we dont relegate you to the cadre of some well known individuals that thrive on hurling allegations, insults and scandal as part of their strategy to remain relevant. Over n Out. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Jared.
way to go with being supportive of the local energy.
is this you? btw. ICT Officer * Centum Investment Company Limited<http://ke.linkedin.com/company/centum-investment-company-limited?trk=ppro_cprof> *
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
Am hesitant to comment on Aki-post coz they wind n wind n whine....anyway..there is nothing wrong with proven companies with proven solution working with the government to create efficiency.
If google/cisco/ibm are creating a solution that is going to better the lives of 40Million kenyans then to hell with 12 creative developers.
The same noise Aki is making was the same noise companies like Kirinyaga construction and the other local companies used to make when road contracts were being dished to Chinese firms. Thika road speaks for itself and now majority of these companies are actually collaborating with the chinese for technology n knowledge transfer.
I liked the mantra Domodomo...can someone revive it or we have to wait till 2011
Regards Jared Koyier
On 6 July 2011 13:45, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats where you get it all wrong my brother, You do not stop breathing just because you can contract flu. Dont Get me wrong, there is those of us busy talking about it in this list, then there is those busy working with the tools in their hands to offer solutions.
What i dont get (and dont bother, ill never understand the rationale) is the need to Kenyanize everything yet the tools we would use are not Kenyan. Do you notice the domain extension for your email address dude?
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:37 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brainiac, :-)
I know you are not one of the copy/pasters, so what would have been your answer if you were given the chance to build such a project?.
Whether a local product or service exists or not, that should have been established by the awarding authority of experts, not me. However, we need the answers so as to understand why local sectors were left out of the process, if at all they were.
*In the meantime, 10 years from now and possibly when the US markets have gone to the lowest points and Google thinks of selling out, what happens to the Kenyan online data on Google servers? Does the buyer in say China inherit it and charge Kenyans a small amount to access it?! What are the legal obligations and consequences on such matters? *
Rgds.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki,
You are quite like my brothers down here at the coast whose rallying cries are haki yetu, kunyanyaswa, mabepari and mabwenyenye.. All hot air really. So my question: Is there any product you have or know of that could serve these needs overtaken by foreigners that has been unjustly denied the opportunity to be deployed? If not then instead of sensational innuendo i suggest you get to work make PCBs, Computers, Their Operating systems, IDEs all in Kenya and then develop truly Kenyan products.
Dont keep us waiting for pipedreams just because its Kenyan.
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