Out in the west traffic cam tickets are always sent to the registered owner regardless of who is driving so if its the same in Nairobi you need to be careful who you lend your car out to ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Philip Musyoki" <pmusyoki@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Viernes, 8 de Noviembre 2013 9:48:36 | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Traffic Cameras in Nairobi | In most countries where this has worked, the traffic camera also take | a picture of the driver. So it is possible to dispute that you were | not driving at that time as the face is obviously clearly visible on | he picture. | But I can see how this is easy to defeat, like wearing a mask or just | may be having one of those windshields where you can't see inside | but the drive can see outside, and I am not sure if that is legal. | And I also imagine the number plate must also match the make, model | and color of the car. | The system is not fool proof but good enough to deter casual law | breaking. If you are at a point you have to get fake number plates | to break the law, or just fix someone else, it think it is no longer | a trivial issue and needs to be addressed separately. | On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote: | | @Andrew, I guess if someone steals the camera, the authorities will | | have an idea how the thief looks like and what conditions existed | | for it to be stolen. Including whether they used a ladder or a | | lorry(Whose number plate they will have). 90% of Nairobi and Nakuru | | roads have grown dark courtesy of vandals. Maybe this will provide | | a | | reprieve. | | | On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > | | wrote: | | | | The car hire companies have records of who had the car at that | | | particular moment. The cameras are tagged with date and time. For | | | private cars the owner is always liable so its up to you the | | | owner | | | to make sure whoever is driving your car abides | | | | | | | From: "Stephen Wanjau" < wanjaustev@gmail.com > | | | | | | | | | | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > | | | | | | | | | | Sent: Viernes, 8 de Noviembre 2013 8:43:59 | | | | | | | | | | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Traffic Cameras in Nairobi | | | | | | | | | | And where do Car Hire companies stand when a reckless driver | | | | makes | | | | the illegal turns and what not. The authorities will be hunting | | | | down | | | | the car and not the driver who broke the rules at some time. | | | | | | | | | | Stephen | | | | | | | | | | Quitters rarely make it into the history books. | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Garr Patronas < | | | | garr.patronas@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | clicked "send" too soon. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | I may be biased to the 5 roundabouts I cross every morning | | | | | and | | | | | evening, but it seems the police actually do let the lights | | | | | work | | | | | independently - most of the time. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | There is almost always a cop or 2 at the intersection, but | | | | | not | | | | | directing traffic. They only step in during early mornings | | | | | and | | | | | evenings - when traffic increases. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < | | | | | olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | i hope this time the police will allow the lights to work | | | | | | independently. Very annoying characters they 'micro' manage | | | | | | the | | | | | | traffic movement. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Jus sain | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Garr Patronas < | | | | | | garr.patronas@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +5 THIS. A big "IF", since there is no-one on-location to | | | | | | | check/verify. I smell a market for fake number plates. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | I once suffered a small collision, and my front | | | | | | | number-plate | | | | | | | had | | | | | | | to | | | | | | | be hammered straight, ending with a few tears on the | | | | | | | edges. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | During unrelated visits to a few garages later, several | | | | | | | mechanics | | | | | | | offered to replace my tattered plate with a shiny new | | | | | | | one. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pop on a plate with your annoying neighbors'/boss/ex | | | | | | | registration, | | | | | | | drive around town making all kinds of wrong turns, and | | | | | | | they | | | | | | | are | | | | | | | in | | | | | | | for a surprise. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | This will happen. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < | | | | | | | solo.mburu@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | We were joking about this the other day. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | If you know you may commit a traffic offence, the best | | | | | | | | you | | | | | | | | can | | | | | | | | do | | | | | | | | is | | | | | | | | paste a fake number plate using a hard paper then you | | | | | | | | are | | | | | | | | good | | | | | | | | to | | | | | | | | go.... when the camera zooms on the plates. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Only that if you are caught, you will have to answer to | | | | | | | | double | | | | | | | | offences. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On a serious note, that is a good move, and I hope the | | | | | | | | area | | | | | | | | around | | | | | | | | Kencom has such lens in place. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On 8 November 2013 10:35, Okechukwu < | | | | | | | | okechukwu@gmail.com | | | | | | | | > | | | | | | | | wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Perfect - no more red light jumping! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ./Ok3ch | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alex Njiru < | | | | | | | | | alenjiru@gmail.com | | | | | | | | | > | | | | | | | | | wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Skunks | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | A statement that has just been sent to our office | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | All, | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | For your information: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Please note that the traffic cameras within the | | | | | | | | | | Nairobi | | | | | | | | | | CBD | | | | | | | | | | are | | | | | | | | | | now | | | | | | | | | | operational. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | This means that if you break any traffic laws (jump | | | | | | | | | | lights, | | | | | | | | | | make | | | | | | | | | | u-turns, wrong turns, overtaking in restricted | | | | | | | | | | areas, | | | | | | | | | | entering | | | | | | | | | | through no entry areas or pick at the wrong points) | | | | | | | | | | your | | | | | | | | | | vehicle | | | | | | | | | | registration plate will be captured by the camera | | | | | | | | | | and | | | | | | | | | | a | | | | | | | | | | warrant | | | | | | | | | | of | | | | | | | | | | arrest can be issued. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | The cameras are never turned off hence do not be | | | | | | | | | | fooled | | | | | | | | | | by | | | | | | | | | | low | | | | | | | | | | traffic, early morning or late night hours, | | | | | | | | | | weekends, | | | | | | | | | | Sundays | | | | | | | | | | and | | | | | | | | | | public holidays. 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