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TANGERINE LOW PRICE BROADBAND
by rocky mbithi 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Hi Guys, I have been seeing adverts from Tangerine that they have broadband internet for as low as Kshs. 654/- a month. Has anyone here used it? How are the speeds? Downtime? customer support? Anyone? Coz it's too good to be true!! Regards, Rocky 254721708325 Skype: rockymbithi

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Taxation Rates in the UK
by Kevin Ouma 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Hi Sorry to go off topic but I want to import a Land Rover discovery from the UK. Is there a place to establish what the taxation rates would be or how they calculate tax on vehicles. Kevin

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Motorola Chargers at Fone Express and Phonelink
by Dennis Kioko 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Am concerned about the quality of Motorola phone chargers at Nakumatt and Tuskys. After loosing my original phone charger, I bought a replacement from Tuskys thinking It would be as Genuine and good as the original. The charger does not fit properly and its outer sheath has broken in 2 places in less than an year. I now have to hold it with masking tape. am thinking there is better performance from the river road premium chargers which retail at 300, compared to the ones from Fone Express at 600. Why is it that one can not get genuine electronic accessories in the local market. You either get fake ones that don't last a day or over priced junk from a few genuine retailers. -- with Regards: Why you should not mind your own business, Find out at: http://gramware.blogspot.com

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Careers @ Icon Telesec
by Francis Okinyo 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Icon Telesec, is one of Kenya's leading telecommunications infrastructure rollout and support companies, and aspires to be a Leader in building High Quality & Robust Telecommunications Infrastructure in Africa. We wish to fill up the following positions; 1. Sales Representative (2 Posts) 2. CAD Technician (1 Post) Details available here http://www.icon.co.ke/content/section/4/27/ Only shortlisted candidates will be contacted for interviews. Regards Icon Telesec Services Ltd P. O. Box 5004-00506 Nairobi http://www.icon.co.ke

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Off Topic : Fourteen and Chania Falls pickup up plenty of rain water
by aki 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Went on a day trip and enjoyed the timeout. 14 falls was 14 no more as the rushing waters covered the edges but nice to see the earth cleaning itself.... Got plenty of rain from thika and into Nairobi. I talked to the local guys there and seems that Kilimambogo ( Ol Donyo Sabuk ) has leopards, buffalos and hyenas. I've never explored this park, has anyone done so, especially for leopards? :-) -- "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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by EDWIN KINUTHIA 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

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Mail Server Configurations
by Humphrey Forum 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Hello comrades, Please give me details on how to configure a mail server on a LINUX machine or alternatively,where I can get good materials on the same. Regards, Humphrey

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OT--Counterfeit currency
by Imelda Mueni 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Hi Everyone , I watching one of the local stations and they were talking about counterfeit notes in circulation , i was shocked to learn that how good the fake currency are and not easy to detect ...normally i used to check for the lion and the the eyes in specific then would know the currency is genuine or not ...apparently the fake notes have that too.. so any one with ideas on how to check if a note is fake or genuine will be really helpful thanks --

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Re: [Skunkworks] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
by wesley kirinya 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

The solutions exists. I briefly listened to a panel on KTN/NTV the morning the results were being released and they seemed to have the solutions. The panel was composed of education experts and people who have researched (and written papers) in the problems plaguing our educational system. The panel said the issue is implementation. If we start going into this implementation issue we will open a can of worms. We would have to start another mail list for education issues! --- On Sun, 1/3/10, DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: From: DAI <svarrer(a)digitalageinstitute.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal To: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke, "wesley kirinya" <kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks(a)my.co.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 3:04 PM Dear Dr. Ndemo, Wesley, Skunk Works and all, We will take up this topic in our January issue 2010 of Digital Age Journal. Our theme is Career, and since the career for almost 100% of humans starts in primary school, I would appreciate if you and others could maybe start analyzing the problem - just right here - then we could maybe have a meeting discussing what we shall do. I am so much in agreement with the statement that citizens complain too much. We as citizens and business owners in Kenya shall promote, strengthen, propose solutions, and put our beard in the drawer together with our own proposals !! I mean - we shall propose solutions, but we shall then also back up our own solutions with action. Churchill said this very clearly: Ask not what the country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country... We shall promote, support, backup our governments positive efforts, instead of electing the wrong politicians and then complain when it goes all wrong. I have a profound attitude in life that if you are dissatisfied with something, then of course you should mention it, but never without taking responsibility for implementing a solution. There is always a way !! If you for some reason end up working with someone who cannot see further than to their own pocket - then just drop working with them... There will always be someone you can work with, who see the light - or whom even are the candle-holders themselves. Look at it from this side here: Yes, there is corruption in Kenya. But darn. There is corruption everywhere in the world. I am from Denmark, one of the so called least corrupt nations. Let me tell you - there is corruption there too !! It has just been hidden much better - thats all. In stead of dwelling on that maybe 20% of your tax revenue goes to corruption - then dwell on that 80% then goes to the right things !!!!! I propose that you send me an e-mail with your name and mobile. Send it to: primaryIT(a)digitalageinstitute.com and sign up for a meeting where we are going to discuss and take the Primary School Education - focused on IT - a step further - and take up that debate. If the contributions are serious, we will print a multi page article about this in our January issue !! I would expect to call the meeting to order on January 18th, 2010 on our location. Write about what you want to contribute with on the meeting. Kind regards Digital Age Institute Ltd. David Svarrer ----- Original Message ----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke To: wesley kirinya Cc: Skunk Works ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ; ke-users Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal Dear Wesley, No one should fail an exam because we have nowhere to take them if they passed. Already we have B grade students who are not getting into Universiry. Every year we get similar concerns but no one has ever asked if indeed we need KCPE exams. To date I do not know the objective of this exam. If our promlem just like everybody else is literacy, then we only need the KCSE exams. The assumption here is that by the time someone sits for KCSE, they would be literate and mature enough to consider options. At KCPE level, I am afraid we keep on increasing our illiteracy levels the moment 250,000 fail to proceed further. In my view we all have failed to analyse this problem objectively. Media keeps on reporting but not analysing the problems. Citizens continue to complain and not making proposals to the Government. The KNUT, parents, politicians have subjected the Ministry into crisis mode instead of reforming the sector. KNUT knows that at least one third of teacheers in Primary Public Schools cannot pass or did not pass KCPE. Then we ask why Private Schools perform better? Ndemo. > I'm concerned about the hundreds of thousands of students that will miss > high school. Last year 250,000 missed it. Over a five year period, this > adds up to more than a million, in a country whose population is about 40 > million! > > Out of those who go to high school, only a handful end up in university. > Someone should do a sturdy on the loss to our economy. The government > spends lots on money to educate 250,000 people annually who will not get > to high school. With our current systems, most of these 250,000 will not > get descent employment/stable sources of income. Most of them come from > rural areas, which are the areas that need serious development and skilled > man-power to drive the development. If I opened a branch of my company in > some rural area of Kenya, who will I employ? Even if I employ some people, > they would be threatened by the Mungiki-types (children who join gangs in > order to extort money) > > We need every child in Kenya, willing to go to school, to be able to > archieve at least Diploma level. Without that, we should forget vision > 2030 and competing with India and other Asian countries! The Chinese will > continue building our roads, as Kenyans sweep them with brooms, not even > specialized machines! > > I would like to bring in a different perspective as to the low > performance, which someone mentioned as seriously wrong. What would happen > if most students passed their exams, especially now with record numbers > enrolling in schools? Where will they go? You would have students with B > grades missing high school. That would be a great embrassment to > goverment. > > If money is available to buy fleets of new cars (which dont really add to > our GDP), surely there should be money for better quality of education for > our children (which definately adds to our GDP). > > This is a national disaster. > > O~( > > > --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Akich Kwach <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> wrote: > > From: Akich Kwach <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal > To: kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com > Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:39 AM > > Gentlemen, > Thanks for sharing your concerns. I would agree with MM and Zachary > because KNEC ought to have known every candidate and parents would be > interested in getting their results at the earliest hour and should have > tested the system's capacity ahead of time. It is sad upto this hour, I > spent on SMS three times and no reply yet. If such trends continue, the > ICT investments might just be a wate of public funds and citizens might > lose faith in the so called e-Govt. I would humbly request the PS, Dr > Bitange and the ICT Board to intervene and find out what transpired at the > KNEC system. > > For the parents who had 2009 candidates, I am concerned with the general > national perfomance taking into account that subjects such as SST where > candidates usually score high marks recorded poor performance, something > is not right somewhere. > > WISHING YOU A HAPPY 2010 > > Akich Kwach > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mureithi" > <mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke> > To: <kwach(a)archway-productions.com> > Cc: <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal > > >> Thanks barrack >> For the candidate and their family they interacted with the ict system >> and the interface was the sms and the web. We should not hide behind >> huge traffic because the phenomena and the time is known and the >> implications. >> Another terrible failure is that i and many thousands kenyans paid >> upfront to the ict system for a service that was not delivered >> >> >> ____________ >> Muriuki Mureithi >> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone >> >> ________________ Reply Header ________________ >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal >> Author: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 29th December 2009 12:51 >> >> MM, >> >> I guess it's a bit premature to blame the System, the problem stems from >> how >> the whole announcement was managed, it was improper for the Ministers >> handlers to say the results would be available on the site immediately >> after >> the speech, with the anxiety that had been going on i'm sure even the >> best >> servers might not have handled the hits, no wonder the systems were >> unable >> to cope, however this serves as a lesson to KNEC, i am sure they will do >> better in 2010. >> >> Happy New Year ! >> >> On 12/29/09, mureithi <mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Zachary >>> This was the great opportunity for the ict system to prove its value to >>> our >>> society. It failed miserably to just serve less than 1 percent of the >>> population and had to walk to schools. Zain however stood tall and 2228 >>> worked. >>> ____________ >>> Muriuki Mureithi >>> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone >>> >>> ________________ Reply Header ________________ >>> Subject: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal >>> Author: Zachary Ochieng <zzachmbir(a)yahoo.com> >>> Date: 29th December 2009 09:59 >>> >>> >>> Despite the digitisation of exam results by the Kenya National >>> Examinations Council (KNEC) and the Ministry of Education, the platform >>> doesn't seem to be working. My daughter is one of the candidates who >>> sat >>> KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after the release of the >>> results by Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC website from where >>> the >>> candidates are supposed to check their results remains down. Worse >>> still, >>> the 2228 no. to which candidates should text their index numbers to get >>> results is also not working but continues to consume airtime to the >>> tune of >>> Ksh 20 per SMS. If this is not a rip off, then I don't know the >>> definition, >>> coming as it does at a time when the ministry is reeling from a theft >>> scandal. >>> >>> One wonders what else the ministry could be hiding. While announcing >>> the >>> top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned the names of their schools. But >>> it is >>> anyone's guess that majority of them are from private schools. Rather >>> than >>> bash the media as he did during the release of the results, Ongeri >>> should >>> tell us what is bedevilling FPE. >>> >>> Can someone please help? MY daughter has refused to take lunch until >>> she >>> gets her results. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Be the change you want to see in the world. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mureithi%40summitstrat… >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… >>> >> >> >> >> -- Barrack O. Otieno >> Administrative Manager >> Afriregister Ltd (Ke) >> P.o.Box 21682 >> Nairobi 00100 >> Tel: >> +254721325277 >> +254733206359 >> +254202498789 >> Riara Road, Bamboo Lane >> www.afriregister.com >> www.afriregister.co.ke >> ICANN accredited registrar. >> Skype: barrack.otieno >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: kwach(a)archway-productions.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kwach%40archway-produc… > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: kiriinya2000(a)yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kiriinya2000%40yahoo.c… > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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Re: [Skunkworks] Happy 2010
by Bernard Mwagiru 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Sudo apt-get install 2010 Reading package lists...done Building dependency tree Reading state information...done 2010 is already the newest version 0 upgraded.0 newly installed,0 to remove and "alot" not upgraded! Looking forward to a vibrant 2010! bernard -----Original Message----- From: Gakuru Alex Sent: 04/01/2010 9:03:20 am To: Skunkworks Forum Cc: Paul Kukubo Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Happy 2010 Good people, I have copied this to Paul - he's the one that keeps the cheque book:-) cheers, a. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Lawrence Kago <lawrencekago(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I 3rd it....(the breakfast) > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:16 PM, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> hi to all skunkers and a happy new year .i second the breakfast >> meeting and would also like to propose a diary of events/activities >> that the skunkworks assosiation is to participate in or orgarnise .i >> intend to launch my looong delayed project/product 'leo network of >> community noticeboards' at maker fair that will be in august i >> presume? Finaly i have a simple idea that can be transformed into a >> mobile phone app that enables radio listeners compile their favorite >> songs and another that is a saving for dec holiday by mobile phone >> idea that i hope guys can chew upon .i will share this ideas with >> mobile app developers fb group .thanks for the great info and contact >> on skunkworks 09 i think 2010 is breakthroug time >> >> On 1/2/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > @ Lawrence, you are OT :-) >> > >> > Happy New Year Skunkers, Phares can you organise a breakfast meeting for >> > skunkers, it would be ideal to set the scene for 2010, i would like to >> > meet >> > Aki, Rad, and someone by the name excuseme pliz hehe. Can the ICT board >> > generously sponsor this ??Happy New year Paul and Alex >> > >> > Blessings >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Lawrence Kago >> > <lawrencekago(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Wishing all skunkers a Happy 2010... >> >> >> > -- >> > Barrack O. Otieno >> > Administrative Manager >> > Afriregister Ltd (Ke) >> > P.o.Box 21682 >> > Nairobi 00100 >> > Tel: >> > +254721325277 >> > +254733206359 >> > +254202498789 >> > Riara Road, Bamboo Lane >> > www.afriregister.com >> > www.afriregister.co.ke >> > ICANN accredited registrar. >> > Skype: barrack.otieno >> > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general

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Happy 2010
by Lawrence Kago 04 Jan '10

04 Jan '10

Wishing all skunkers a Happy 2010...

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Re: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this
by Bernard Mwagiru 03 Jan '10

03 Jan '10

This is wha Im talking about.I love there guys:-) http://www.broadbandwatchdog.co.uk/story/2009/12/04/bt-chairman-the-only-ma… bernard -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 03/01/2010 9:38:13 pm To: amanya Cc: Skunkworks Forum Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this Experience has shown that even with the best of regulations in place, every competitive market needs to be kept on toes by knowledgable,informed, updated and active consumer protection groups. Furthermore,most of those great regulatory policies stem from recommendations of active participations of consumer associations et al. We may not all have knowledge of what we should expect from operators probably because we may misconstrue "crappy" service as the norm.While members in this list may be well-versed with the technologies,many offlist dont.Eg I was very impressed that vodafon uk include the contention ratio value on the hsdpa modem in its advertisements! On inquiry I was told that some uk association pressured vodafon uk to do so after numerous complaints from customers.What customers now expect is not 3.6Mbps but an acceptable value of mobile broadband as calculated from this contention ratio.Hence, Vodafon Uk have to ensure that certain levels are maintained lest consumer fury befalls them:-).Im sure if such level of awareness was made available to consumers then surely one would be in a better position prior to putting pen to paper. An informed consumer protection group would certainly know that due to the challenges and shortcoming of the technology itself(shared bandwidth for instance),a certain acceptable level of service should be maintained.And it is this awareness that should be sought.I highly doubt that numerous email complaints to operators would bring the desired effect. bernard -----Original Message----- From: amanya Sent: 03/01/2010 5:17:26 pm To: bmwagiru Cc: Skunkworks Forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this Alex and Bernard you are mixing up two issues here: the ideal and what is. It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. Adam Smith *An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations*, par. I.2.2 The telcos will continue giving crappy service, and they are not alone in this, until regulation forces them otherwise. As Bernard rightly points out, an actual Consumers Association would be a huge step forward. That said am stymied when Alex argues, and a second time at that, "Over [the] last 1 year the service was degraded..." and still has an issue with Orange upgrading its network. BTW Alex, Orange did reduce the prices of their data bundles. Bernard, as fas as data goes, I gave all 4 telcos a shot and cost and quality is what motivated me: http://bit.ly/OrangeData, http://bit.ly/SuffData, http://bit.ly/ZainData. Zain's unlimited is the cheapest but it didn't work for me in a number of places. Cost also motivated the voice switch to Yu. From a minimum 100 per day to 100-150 every 2 days. What, Benard, if i may ask are you using for Data and Voice?

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Re: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this
by Bernard Mwagiru 03 Jan '10

03 Jan '10

Experience has shown that even with the best of regulations in place, every competitive market needs to be kept on toes by knowledgable,informed, updated and active consumer protection groups. Furthermore,most of those great regulatory policies stem from recommendations of active participations of consumer associations et al. We may not all have knowledge of what we should expect from operators probably because we may misconstrue "crappy" service as the norm.While members in this list may be well-versed with the technologies,many offlist dont.Eg I was very impressed that vodafon uk include the contention ratio value on the hsdpa modem in its advertisements! On inquiry I was told that some uk association pressured vodafon uk to do so after numerous complaints from customers.What customers now expect is not 3.6Mbps but an acceptable value of mobile broadband as calculated from this contention ratio.Hence, Vodafon Uk have to ensure that certain levels are maintained lest consumer fury befalls them:-).Im sure if such level of awareness was made available to consumers then surely one would be in a better position prior to putting pen to paper. An informed consumer protection group would certainly know that due to the challenges and shortcoming of the technology itself(shared bandwidth for instance),a certain acceptable level of service should be maintained.And it is this awareness that should be sought.I highly doubt that numerous email complaints to operators would bring the desired effect. bernard -----Original Message----- From: amanya Sent: 03/01/2010 5:17:26 pm To: bmwagiru Cc: Skunkworks Forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this Alex and Bernard you are mixing up two issues here: the ideal and what is. It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. Adam Smith *An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations*, par. I.2.2 The telcos will continue giving crappy service, and they are not alone in this, until regulation forces them otherwise. As Bernard rightly points out, an actual Consumers Association would be a huge step forward. That said am stymied when Alex argues, and a second time at that, "Over [the] last 1 year the service was degraded..." and still has an issue with Orange upgrading its network. BTW Alex, Orange did reduce the prices of their data bundles. Bernard, as fas as data goes, I gave all 4 telcos a shot and cost and quality is what motivated me: http://bit.ly/OrangeData, http://bit.ly/SuffData, http://bit.ly/ZainData. Zain's unlimited is the cheapest but it didn't work for me in a number of places. Cost also motivated the voice switch to Yu. From a minimum 100 per day to 100-150 every 2 days. What, Benard, if i may ask are you using for Data and Voice?

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Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Digest, Vol 10, Issue 5
by Frank Maina 03 Jan '10

03 Jan '10

does anyone know how to recover data lost from a blackberry ? On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:26 PM, <skunkworks-request(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > Send Skunkworks mailing list submissions to > skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > skunkworks-request(a)lists.my.co.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > skunkworks-owner(a)lists.my.co.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Skunkworks digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RAHIM KARA CONTACTS (Alvin Jason Ochieng) > 2. Re: RAHIM KARA CONTACTS (Rahim Kara) > 3. Re: Oohh I like this (amanya) > 4. Re: Oohh I like this (Rahim Kara) > 5. Re: Oohh I like this ([ Brainiac ]) > 6. Job Vacancy @ ITU (Joram Gachuiri) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:16:52 +0300 > From: Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola(a)gmail.com> > To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> > Subject: [Skunkworks] RAHIM KARA CONTACTS > Message-ID: > <ff6fccaa1001020916q7e970b5wd9a03abf25c2e2dc(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > DO you repair Iphones? if so please send me your FULL contacts ASAP... > > > aLVIN > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Muchos appreciacious with the wishes! All have a lovely day.. WhAt is > > left of it and my best wishes for the new year!! > > > > Taking off the vader mask! May the force be with you!! Tum tum Tum tum > > tum tummmm!!! ( vader theme music) > > > > On Thursday, December 31, 2009, Clement Ongera <cnongera(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Rahim > >> Enjoy yourselves, and keep away from them man eaters. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > >> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> Other lists > >> ------------- > >> Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >> Science: ?http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >> kazi: ? ? http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science: ?http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi: ? ? http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:25:08 +0300 > From: Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim(a)gmail.com> > To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] RAHIM KARA CONTACTS > Message-ID: > <9cc665a61001020925h1386d8a5q288bc1901b4c1ff8(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Rahim m kara > 0734334074 > rahim(a)rahimkara.com > > On Saturday, January 2, 2010, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > DO you repair Iphones? if so please send me your FULL contacts ASAP... > > > > > > aLVIN > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Muchos appreciacious with the wishes! All have a lovely day.. WhAt is > >> left of it and my best wishes for the new year!! > >> > >> Taking off the vader mask! May the force be with you!! Tum tum Tum tum > >> tum tummmm!!! ( vader theme music) > >> > >> On Thursday, December 31, 2009, Clement Ongera <cnongera(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> Hi Rahim > >>> Enjoy yourselves, and keep away from them man eaters. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Skunkworks mailing list > >>> Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> ------------ > >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > >>> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > >>> ------------ > >>> Skunkworks Rules > >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> ------------ > >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>> Other lists > >>> ------------- > >>> Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >>> Science: ?http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >>> kazi: ? ? http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > >> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> Other lists > >> ------------- > >> Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >> Science: ?http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >> kazi: ? ? http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science: ?http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi: ? ? http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:46:27 +0300 > From: amanya <whynnot(a)gmail.com> > To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this > Message-ID: > <ab655d1e1001020946oc44e189l69ab5db573720880(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > @ Rahim, I hope that there's a lot and not just some truth in that. I > ditched Suffercicon for Orange two months ago and i welcome all > improvements > in their speeds. > > Oh, and a cost/benefit analysis shows at present it's miles ahead of the > other mobile networks. and am talking about Orange GSM and not CDMA. > > In this talk about Cost/Benefit let's not be like the mice who wanted to > bell the cat. Let's criticise but more importantly let this be practical > with suggestions. I have also ditched Suffericon voice. Sasa niko Yuu tu > sana, for example. > > Am surprised though that Alex Gakuru, who sang Orange praises as far back > as > a year ago minds that they are improving their speeds. > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:33, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > As Gakuru rightly put it, it would be far much better to analyse the > > cost-benefit rather than fantasize on these technologies.Techies(me > > included) get excited over such but it would be an quite an eye opener > for > > us if a researcher or market analyst could perform an analysis of > relevant > > services. > > > > > What I expect in 2010 is a more vibrant consumer awareness in the > telecom > > sector and what should rightly be expected from operators.Many a times > > operators raise high expectations but those of us locked up in server > rooms > > know all too well the challenges and shortcomings of eg wireless access > > technologies,etc which are not unique in Kenya; a little googling will > > confirm this.I am well aware that firms are out to make or squeeze bucks > > from subscribers.However, with more awareness at least subs will know > what > > they are getting into.In developed countries there exist very well > informed > > consumer rights groups who even perform real life demos and tests for > > consumers.Remember those early days of flash disks?You walk in and buy a > > 512mb but is it really 512mb?My 500gb reads 486gb from the properties > tab! > > Never had anyone complain.Why?Because we all know what bits and bytes > are. > > What I hope and expect is an concerted effort by > > groups,boards,associations,etc charged with protecting and > > informing the public to live up to their tasks. > > > > > -- > > Expect the ICT Consumers Association of Kenya to implement something > > similar to http://www.bbb.org/ this year! > > > > cheers, > > > > a. > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Announce: > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > > > -- > (+254) 752 74 84 55 | 737 74 84 55 | 722 74 84 55 > > you can be what you want to be, the only limit is what you deem it to be >

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Re: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this
by Bernard Mwagiru 03 Jan '10

03 Jan '10

Amanya, It would really help to have such information as to the reasons for all this ditching one operator for another.Using your own words,lets not criticise without providing practical suggestions.All this ad hoc hopping does not help in the log run.Remember "1/- forever"? Well,we all know what happened. A thorough costbenefit analysis would detail aspects such voice/data network coverage,voice/data quality,value added services(ringback tones,voicemail,portals,loyalty solutions,etc),flexible access technologies options,enterprise solutions,hosted solutions,m-commerce,ARPU vs market share,trends,etc.All this in close relation to inflation,GDP,purchasing power,interest rates,etc. would go a long way in making firm informed decisions;a far cry from hopping here and there. I have come across such reports in europe that offer invaluable advice to investors.It is not uncommon for such efforts to be spearheaded by consumer groups.This,IMO, is what Kenya is deficient in.Any local or foreign investor would quickly like to know eg which of the providers would meet mobile banking or money transfer services,requirements,technicalities,protocols,formalities,etc.Thats what I (both as a consumer and a technician) would expect from an informed ICT consumer rights group.The challenge is here. bernard -----Original Message----- From: amanya Sent: 02/01/2010 8:46:27 pm To: Skunkworks Forum Cc: bmwagiru Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Oohh I like this @ Rahim, I hope that there's a lot and not just some truth in that. I ditched Suffercicon for Orange two months ago and i welcome all improvements in their speeds. Oh, and a cost/benefit analysis shows at present it's miles ahead of the other mobile networks. and am talking about Orange GSM and not CDMA. In this talk about Cost/Benefit let's not be like the mice who wanted to bell the cat. Let's criticise but more importantly let this be practical with suggestions. I have also ditched Suffericon voice. Sasa niko Yuu tu sana, for example. Am surprised though that Alex Gakuru, who sang Orange praises as far back as a year ago minds that they are improving their speeds. On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:33, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > As Gakuru rightly put it, it would be far much better to analyse the > cost-benefit rather than fantasize on these technologies.Techies(me > included) get excited over such but it would be an quite an eye opener for > us if a researcher or market analyst could perform an analysis of relevant > services. > > > What I expect in 2010 is a more vibrant consumer awareness in the telecom > sector and what should rightly be expected from operators.Many a times > operators raise high expectations but those of us locked up in server rooms > know all too well the challenges and shortcomings of eg wireless access > technologies,etc which are not unique in Kenya; a little googling will > confirm this.I am well aware that firms are out to make or squeeze bucks > from subscribers.However, with more awareness at least subs will know what > they are getting into.In developed countries there exist very well informed > consumer rights groups who even perform real life demos and tests for > consumers.Remember those early days of flash disks?You walk in and buy a > 512mb but is it really 512mb?My 500gb reads 486gb from the properties tab! > Never had anyone complain.Why?Because we all know what bits and bytes are. > What I hope and expect is an concerted effort by > groups,boards,associations,etc charged with protecting and > informing the public to live up to their tasks. > > > -- > Expect the ICT Consumers Association of Kenya to implement something > similar to http://www.bbb.org/ this year! > > cheers, > > a. > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > -- (+254) 752 74 84 55 | 737 74 84 55 | 722 74 84 55 you can be what you want to be, the only limit is what you deem it to be

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Techical documentation guru
by Mbugua Njihia 03 Jan '10

03 Jan '10

Goodday Skunks, I am looking to shortlist two technical documentation gurus, the sort of guys who can be walked through a platform and get it down on paper to international standards. If you are such a person kindly send ur CV to mbugua(a)symbiotic.co.ke. The gig is slated for Fed 2010.

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Job Vacancy @ ITU
by Joram Gachuiri 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

Happy new year. Try your luck in 2010 BR Joram

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RAHIM KARA CONTACTS
by Alvin Jason Ochieng 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

DO you repair Iphones? if so please send me your FULL contacts ASAP... aLVIN On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Muchos appreciacious with the wishes! All have a lovely day.. WhAt is > left of it and my best wishes for the new year!! > > Taking off the vader mask! May the force be with you!! Tum tum Tum tum > tum tummmm!!! ( vader theme music) > > On Thursday, December 31, 2009, Clement Ongera <cnongera(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Rahim >> Enjoy yourselves, and keep away from them man eaters. >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1… > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >

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Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3
by Frank Maina 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

barrack interesting idea about the breakfast ...i know a likely sponsor should it get organised ..contact me .. On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <skunkworks-request(a)lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > Send Skunkworks mailing list submissions to > skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > skunkworks-request(a)lists.my.co.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > skunkworks-owner(a)lists.my.co.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Skunkworks digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Patrick Karanja wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn > (Patrick Karanja) > 2. Re: Patrick Karanja wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn > (Simon Mbuthia) > 3. Re: Server Harambee (Joram Mwinamo) > 4. Happy 2010 (Lawrence Kago) > 5. License fee to operate a hotspot or wisp (Job Muriuki) > 6. Re: License fee to operate a hotspot or wisp (waihiga mwaura) > 7. Re: Happy 2010 (Barrack Otieno) > 8. Re: Oohh I like this (Mark Mwangi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) > From: Patrick Karanja <wabethi(a)gmail.com> > To: Mulutu Jackson <skunkworks(a)my.co.ke> > Subject: [Skunkworks] Patrick Karanja wants to stay in touch on > LinkedIn > Message-ID: > <1513484651.13251769.1262386026821.JavaMail.app(a)ech3-cdn11.prod> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > LinkedIn > ------------ > > Patrick Karanja requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: > ------------------------------------------ > > Mulutu, > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > - Patrick Karanja > > Accept invitation from Patrick Karanja > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/XqwhZ3Ffzi6Tax09giG2G5ucHu2sPa0/blk/I1693494611_2… > > View invitation from Patrick Karanja > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/XqwhZ3Ffzi6Tax09giG2G5ucHu2sPa0/blk/I1693494611_2… > ------------------------------------------ > > DID YOU KNOW you can be the first to know when a trusted member of your > network changes jobs? With Network Updates on your LinkedIn home page, > you'll be notified as members of your network change their current position. > Be the first to know and reach out! > http://www.linkedin.com/ > > > ------ > (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation > >

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Oohh I like this
by Rahim Kara 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

Grapevine said orange planning on rolling put 3.75g network. Any truth in this?

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License fee to operate a hotspot or wisp
by Job Muriuki 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

Hi good people, am hoping you had a great festive season. Where can i get licensing information, or how much is the license?

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Patrick Karanja wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
by Patrick Karanja 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

LinkedIn ------------ Patrick Karanja requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Mulutu, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Patrick Karanja Accept invitation from Patrick Karanja http://www.linkedin.com/e/XqwhZ3Ffzi6Tax09giG2G5ucHu2sPa0/blk/I1693494611_2… View invitation from Patrick Karanja http://www.linkedin.com/e/XqwhZ3Ffzi6Tax09giG2G5ucHu2sPa0/blk/I1693494611_2… ------------------------------------------ DID YOU KNOW you can be the first to know when a trusted member of your network changes jobs? With Network Updates on your LinkedIn home page, you'll be notified as members of your network change their current position. Be the first to know and reach out! http://www.linkedin.com/ ------ (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation

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Mara Triangle comes back to life
by aki 01 Jan '10

01 Jan '10

Plenty of rainfall in the afternoons, last few days. Hippos and crocs happy. On drive in, many carcasses of animals, the drought took a toll on animals. Sad that others died just before the rains came. Must have been hell for the animals. I wonder if the annual migration was easier with lower river levels? Past 5 days Mara river levels rose to high levels, while rain water runs offs from hillsides made deep gullies. Good news : Mara now looks like a golf course, green everywhere. Bad news for preditors who can be spotted easily, cheetah, lions on a green background. Large elephant families. But panic driven humans from urban areas (tour guides and operators) are too scared of the rains.......... One wonders the saying " word spread like bushfire" takes a new meaning. If you planning a visit, ensure you have a proper 4 wheel drive and skills, not awd but if you are a skilled driver, enjoy drifting in the mud. Its not bad, and if your tour guide tells you to leave early, well it isn't excatly the end of the world, just rain and mud and you can dig your car out of the rut.. As a backup, have food/water for an emergency overnight stay if you want to be prepared. Worth to see the mara at this time. :-) A happy new year to all. -- "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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Nakuru
by Rahim Kara 01 Jan '10

01 Jan '10

ANyone want to come? i leave in an hour and have room in the car. Make some noise if it's a yes. 'm going to camp at the park overnight. Rahim.

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How smart are you really when it comes to tech?
by Harry Hare 01 Jan '10

01 Jan '10

How about a self audit... * http://www.cio.co.ke/index.php/view-all-analysis-items/475-how-smart-are-yo… * Harry

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