September 2009 - skunkworks

Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Theus Owicho 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Eunice I always dont involve myself in fights over the internet so if you really want to engage me call me for coffee and lets sort it out. I have much to live for and many to give and internet aquintances and fights are just not for me. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > Sorry Owicho or whoever you are but the language and tone of this email > suggests that you are 'Onyango'. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > ------------------------------ > *From*: Theus Owicho > *Date*: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:44:30 +0300 > *To*: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke> > *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high > internet prices > Guys > > there are things which doesn't warrant any comment because you might think > that you are containing the "Onyango" kumbe you are making him famous. This > guy is now a silent martyr to many here. If you don't like it, just don't > respond > > Response and counter attacks on mailings lists will never contain the > aggressors. They become bolder because people are listening and we have seen > them attack on regard to expiry of Bundles in Safcom and the expiry was > extended. > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: >> > Hahaaaa! How funny. >> > >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> > >> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 >> > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> > >> > >> > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the >> belt >> > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. >> We >> > dont need KICTANET for this to be known >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 >> >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! >> >> >> >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the >> level >> >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be >> >> gained. >> >> >> >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you >> >> soon. >> >> Pole sana. >> >> >> >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level >> of >> >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an >> >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. >> >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of >> >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. >> >> >> >> Ek >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 >> >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >> prices >> >> >> >> >> >> Eunice >> >> >> >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising >> >> everything >> >> >> >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh >> shareholder >> >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the >> >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. >> >> >> >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong >> >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan >> >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be >> >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute >> >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect >> >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from >> >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to >> >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT >> >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. >> >> >> >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have >> not >> >> been objective nor fair to anyone. >> >> >> >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. >> >> >> >> OH >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 >> >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the >> >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and >> not >> >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for >> now >> >>> its spokesperson. >> >>> >> >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and >> >>> personal >> >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. >> >>> >> >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the >> mouths >> >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. >> >>> >> >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) >> >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako >> arrogantly >> >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can >> >>> only >> >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law >> >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the >> Ringera >> >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. >> >>> >> >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our >> policy >> >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above >> >>> board manner! >> >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to >> >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make >> >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any >> >>> way. >> >>> >> >>> Ek >> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >>> >> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 >> >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> >>> prices >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… >> >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>> kictanet mailing list >> >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >>> >> >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com >> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com >> > >> >____________________________________________________________ >> > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! >> > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Solomon Mburu >> P.O. 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Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Solomon Mburu 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

On 10/09/2009, eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > Hahaaaa! How funny. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya > > -----Original Message----- > From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:49:33 > To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> > Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; > ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices > > > We dont need KICTANET to tell Kenyans that Eunice is using bellow the belt > to award favours. What is the number os users in KICTANET? Be serious. We > dont need KICTANET for this to be known > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:02 +0000 >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> >> You have missed the whole point as expected!! >> >> And sorry I will not give you the pleasure of being drawn into the level >> of arguing nor engage you as I know there will only be disgrace to be >> gained. >> >> I certainly feel sorry for you and hope you hope someone can help you >> soon. >> Pole sana. >> >> As for kictanet, this very juvenile language/ communication and level of >> thinking or interpreting matters of national importance is an >> embarrassment to the country, given the subscription nos. >> The real debate should be how to streamline debates so that they are of >> high quality! Alice, Walu over to you. >> >> Ek >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:28:01 >> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >> prices >> >> >> Eunice >> >> The debate is personalised because the stakeholders are personalising >> everything >> >> Dont say that the first priority of Michael JOseph is to teh shareholder >> while am a shareholder and priority is definitely not on me nor the >> majority who boycotted the AGM because of Michael Josephs arrogance. >> >> And now you bring Ringera issue into ICT matters. Wako was very wrong >> like he has been. There is no way a court ruling can bind the Kenyan >> parliament. There is separation of powers and thank God you will be >> excused because you are a marketer and seems to have very minute >> knowledge on law. The fact that you bring Ringera issues is suspect >> because first you have used the same bad laws to hinder people from >> accessing ICT Board and when access has been imminent you have tried to >> force peopel to have sex with you so that they get favours from ICT >> Board. Dont try to act like an angel. We know what you are doing. >> >> How do you expect people to be objective while you at ICT Board have not >> been objective nor fair to anyone. >> >> Be serious. Stop kidding us. >> >> OH >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >>> Sent: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000 >>> To: onyango(a)inbox.com >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >>> prices >>> >>> This debate is so personalised that I can't help to wonder where the >>> 'policy advocacy' aspect of kictanet forum is! By focusing on MJ and not >>> Safaricom you make him more powerful! Yet he is just the CEO and for now >>> its spokesperson. >>> >>> We shall do well , very well when we stop being so emotional and >>> personal >>> on matters of ICT at whatever level. >>> >>> Any other way leaves Desai and sour, may be even bad taste in the mouths >>> of those we appeal to do xyz for the industry. >>> >>> Their(michael and others in similar positions of economic influence) >>> first priority is to their shareholders; Recall the way Wako arrogantly >>> but correctly advised parliament on the Ringera issue? That they can >>> only >>> request or express opinions and hope they will be considered by law >>> interpreters(courts). Tough pill to swallow on an issue such the Ringera >>> one but wako says only the court can interpret law. >>> >>> In the case of this forum, we should consider putting across our policy >>> requests, opinions, views, suggestions in sober, objective and above >>> board manner! >>> Any other way will yield nothing, unless you take off from internet to >>> the streets to protest or get commissions to be appointed to make >>> recommendations (at your tax cost) which may never be implemented any >>> way. >>> >>> Ek >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:44:03 >>> To: <eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> >>> Cc: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke>; >>> ke-users<ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>; <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet >>> prices >>> >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com > -- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!

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Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Solomon Mburu 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Onyango, On a point of clarification - though I do not work for KICTANET or KENIC - on EAI-GF I noticed that Vincent had sent an email to Skunkworks, Kenya Internet Users lists and also had the same published in the print media. There were non-IT guys in the forum and they were contributing just as anybody else. So why the fuss? My argument will still be where is the so-called Consumer Rights body? Why didn't they attend the EAI-GF, for instance? I'm just short of understanding why should we just breath with fire online and fail to do the same when an opportunity is created? 2009/9/10 Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > > Sammy > > Thanks alot for the insight. I agree with you on many points but I chose to > be blunt because all the time Michael Joseph has been talking its been about > Kenyans and their peculiar habits and if you have attended any press > conference you will know how Michael Joseph takes it personally. Michael > Joseph should know that Kenyans and Kenyan Internet consumers are two > different things because not all Kenyans use Safaricom Internet service and > thats why we will respond to him personally the moment he becomes arrogant > and feelingless. > > On EA IGF. KICTANET decided on many issues which locks out stakeholders. > Who is the major stakeholders and dependants on the internet in Kenya? Did > we see Mashada owners and administrators invited, Skunkworks, Young > Professionals, BidiiAfrica, Mama Mikes, Kenya Imagine, Home Boyz, NYC IV, > babatoto.com, and many others who depends on the internet and even those > who understand more about internet issues and have more stake and not the > usual Nation Media, Safaricom and Capital FM. > > The moment we discriminate with invitation then you create an opportunity > for rebelion and people dont view you well. We want to see the young people > operating various social media invited and take the podium as main speakers > and then we get the government and private sector also to respond. Otherwise > I dont need to attend the EA IGF because let me tell you that it will never > unite and you will never have one voice with teh current discriminating > attitude from KICTANET and the government > > About recession, no ISP who is refusing to lower cost is talking about > recession. None. We want them to give us figures and the losses they are > making or see themselves make when they lower the costs. > > Nobody will seperate personality from issues as long as personality > generalise and attack population when face with issues > > OH > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* sam.gatere(a)gmail.com > *Sent:* Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:30:15 +0300 > *To:* onyango(a)inbox.com > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > woooooo drama! Bwana Hatari let me start by saying pole sana! you > definately are very unhappy Internet consumer! however in the same breath a > seperation of issues is important. MJ is not Safaricom and Safaricom is not > MJ. In my humble opinion I would like to imagine that both (MJ and > Safaricom) are independent enties in as viwed by the goverment and by the > law. So the more approriate entity to lash out to would be Safaricom and Not > MJ. > > On another point just this week the EA-IGF was on for three days at the > Jacaranda Hotel, the details of this forum were made public on this forum > and this forum was possibly one of the best places to voice this concerns > about the ICT related issues form pricing to QoS (quality of Service) Dr. > Ndemo among other, Members of parliament both Kenyan and from the East > African region were present. If Bwana Hatari's sentiments were raised in > this forum on Day one I assure someone would have given them a good ear. > Another important thing that came out was that we need a strong consumer > Advocacy group that has a "face" and we can deal with this issues head on! I > have not heard any one Bash AccessKenya For example with their "double your > bandwidth for the same price" campaign... This basically shows they still > want to charge the same despite enjoying low BULK bandwidth cost. KDN or > UUNet (I stand to be corrected) annoucned a 90% reduction on bandwidth from > $5000 for 1Mb to little over $500 for the same. > > The other thing we may want to define is what is cheap or affordable > Internet access? with the way things are now I doubt any telco or ISP will > lower their rates remember they to are in this to make money and also > consider that the global community is in recession. Some for example > safaricom are a 20% stakeholder in the Teams cable which was a capital > intensive venture! They guys who ought to be bashed really in my view are > the media houses and news content developers if they do not give news that > shows that there is a big Internet market in the country who will want to > lower their prices in light of all the competition? > > In my humble projection I do not foresee drastic price drops due to the > landing of two fibre cables in the cost. There is just not enough > competition. Maybe by March 2010 when EASSy lands and the Lion2 from Reunion > Islands we shall see more serious competition. Also we need to understand > the Last Mile solution also determines your final access cost! Maybe just > maybe innovations such as that seen with triple play operator ZUKU might > just be what will make Broadband Connectivity more accessible and possible > more affordable! > > A seperation of the issues, personalities and corporations is essential > then we may start to see some reasonable results. > > > Kind Regards > > > SammyG > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com>wrote: > > What MJ is displaying is arrogance which is being permitted by Dr Ndemo. > The arrogance where a poor investor can come to our country, borrow money > from our banks and then after getting rich close shop the same day like GTV > without anyone questioning. > > The arrogance where Michael Joseph can be brought here by the British > masters and then forced upon us and after being rich buy guns and start > sponsoring Kenyans like its happening in Isiolo where Lewa owners where MJ > is a big owner of land is sponsoring violence and killing and maiming > Kenyans and then we say that we have tribalism in Kenya. > > Tribalism is being fuelled by racist and arrogant people like Michael > Joseph and if its hard to see how Michael Joseph who in January was just > waxing lyrical how much we will save on Fibre Optics is now arrogant to teh > core then we need to review our stakes. > > We dont need such cheap arrogance and Michael Joseph must be told so. How > can you unilaterally decide without involving shareholders that tehy must > get money through Mpesa? How can you just see Kenyans as people who eat and > do nothing for the company while they gave yuo teh capital to expand? > > Lets be realistic here. this is arrogance and impunity to teh core and we > must face it headon. Alex, ukitaka backup you got me. We will continue > highlighting this until it sinks in the head of everybody taht we have > Hyenas masquerading as mother Teresa > > Internet cost must go down and we support those fighting for this in > facebook, and through other social media > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com > > Sent: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:57:54 +0300 > > To: onyango(a)inbox.com > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > > prices > > > > Prejudged you is not at all correct > > > > You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately > > asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on > > travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when > > specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email > > "Next week". > > > > You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced > > communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or > > their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for > > information. > > > > And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless > > and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media. > > > > regards, > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> > > wrote: > >> I see you have prejudged us > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Michael > >> CEO > >> Safaricom > >> > >> On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> <http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: mjoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mjoseph%40safaricom.co… > >> > >> > ##################################################################################### > >> NOTE: > >> The information in this email and any attachments is confidential and > >> may be > >> legallyprivileged. 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Check it out at www.inbox.com/earth > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com > > -- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! Sent from Nairobi, Kenya

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Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Digest, Vol 6, Issue 84
by fyodor 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Alex, Paul >, why do I have a >feeling that this Onyango guy takes many personalties, if you know >what >I mean. If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it definitely must be a duck! At this point a tar-pit on the guy looks like a welcoming reprieve. -tyrus

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Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Phares Kariuki 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Youve been responding to all lists... On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com>wrote: > Very well articulated Pamela. Thanks for speaking on our behalf. > > Rgds > > GG > > > From: pamela(a)cardiacimplants.com > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:57:31 +0300 > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > CC: skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke; ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net; > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com > > > > > I have always been one of those fence sitters, enjoying all the debate in > > KICTANET, but Onyango Hatari's contribution has 'rattled' me. Oh my God! > I > > don’t believe on this list we should be subjected to this kind of > language. > > I felt insulted reading his contribution. Even if one has a burning > issue, > > please use civil language!!! Wow! Let me step out for some air!! > > > > Pamela > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela <kictanet-bounces%2Bpamela>= > cardiacimplants.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] On > > Behalf Of Bill Kagai > > Sent: 10 September 2009 10:16 > > To: pamela(a)cardiacimplants.com > > Cc: Skunkworks forum; ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > prices > > > > Onyango Hatari, > > I have googled you on the internet and I have no clue what you do. > > Please table on this list your achievements in the ICT sector to > > warrant such spew on someone who has really helped change the IT > > sector in Kenya. > > > > On this one, am totally disgusted to be associated with this list. And > > you should apologise for making me read this email. I strive to read > > all my emails but today I feel wasted. > > > > Do you remember where we were in 1998 when we used to queue at > > Extelcoms House to pay our bills and what Safaricom can do for you > > today from voice, data and even money transfer??? In just 10 years!!! > > > > And you have the guts to show your naked arse on this list to shame > > the man who pioneered all this??? > > > > Get a life man.....Its not advisable to drink all night and then write > > emails in the morning...for I cannot think what else could have made > > you chronicle such shit to a large list like this one.... > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > wrote: > > > What MJ is displaying is arrogance which is being permitted by Dr > Ndemo. > > The arrogance where a poor investor can come to our country, borrow money > > from our banks and then after getting rich close shop the same day like > GTV > > without anyone questioning. > > > > > > The arrogance where Michael Joseph can be brought here by the British > > masters and then forced upon us and after being rich buy guns and start > > sponsoring Kenyans like its happening in Isiolo where Lewa owners where > MJ > > is a big owner of land is sponsoring violence and killing and maiming > > Kenyans and then we say that we have tribalism in Kenya. > > > > > > Tribalism is being fuelled by racist and arrogant people like Michael > > Joseph and if its hard to see how Michael Joseph who in January was just > > waxing lyrical how much we will save on Fibre Optics is now arrogant to > teh > > core then we need to review our stakes. > > > > > > We dont need such cheap arrogance and Michael Joseph must be told so. > How > > can you unilaterally decide without involving shareholders that tehy must > > get money through Mpesa? How can you just see Kenyans as people who eat > and > > do nothing for the company while they gave yuo teh capital to expand? > > > > > > Lets be realistic here. this is arrogance and impunity to teh core and > we > > must face it headon. Alex, ukitaka backup you got me. We will continue > > highlighting this until it sinks in the head of everybody taht we have > > Hyenas masquerading as mother Teresa > > > > > > Internet cost must go down and we support those fighting for this in > > facebook, and through other social media > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com > > >> Sent: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:57:54 +0300 > > >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > > >> prices > > >> > > >> Prejudged you is not at all correct > > >> > > >> You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately > > >> asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on > > >> travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when > > >> specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email > > >> "Next week". > > >> > > >> You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced > > >> communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or > > >> their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for > > >> information. > > >> > > >> And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless > > >> and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media. > > >> > > >> regards, > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph< > MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> > > >> wrote: > > >>> I see you have prejudged us > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> > > >>> Michael > > >>> CEO > > >>> Safaricom > > >>> > > >>> On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> <http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> kictanet mailing list > > >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > >>>> > > >>>> This message was sent to: mjoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke > > >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > > >>>> > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mjoseph%40safaricom.co > . > > ke > > >>> > > >>> > > > ############################################################################ > > ######### > > >>> NOTE: > > >>> The information in this email and any attachments is confidential and > > >>> may be > > >>> legallyprivileged. 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Safaricom Limiteddisclaims any liability to the fullest > extent > > >>> permissible by law for any consequencesthat may arise from the > contents > > >>> of > > >>> this email including but not limited to personalopinions, malicious > > >>> and/or > > >>> defamatory information and data/codes that may compromiseor damage > the > > >>> integrity of the recipient’s information technology systems.If you > are > > >>> not > > >>> the intended recipient please notify the sender and immediately > > >>> deletethis > > >>> email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly authorised > > >>> officer > > >>> ofSafaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be > > >>> construed > > >>> as beingan offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable of > > >>> constituting a contractbetween Safaricom Limited and any recipient(s) > of > > >>> this email. > > >>> > > >>> > > > ############################################################################ > > ######### > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> kictanet mailing list > > >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > >> > > >> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com > > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > > >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends > and > > family! > > > Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kictanet mailing list > > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > This message was sent to: billkagai(a)gmail.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/billkagai%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: pamela(a)cardiacimplants.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pamela%40cardiacimplant > > s.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.<http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gall…> > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: pkariuki(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com > > -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki(a)gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |

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Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Rad! 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Onyango Hatari, It is outbursts like these that discourage participation in these mailing lists. It ranges from ignorance (clearly you have no clue as to Michael Joseph's nationality) to outrageous (sponsoring violence?) to ludicrous (fueling racism?) If you are going to table your opinion, at the very least can it at least be informed? The irony is your armchair philosophy is probably enabled by a Safaricom modem. My friend, you need to conduct yourself with the decorum of an adult. You are ruining a communication mechanism bewtween the industry and stakeholders with such vituperation. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> wrote: > What MJ is displaying is arrogance which is being permitted by Dr Ndemo. The arrogance where a poor investor can come to our country, borrow money from our banks and then after getting rich close shop the same day like GTV without anyone questioning. > > The arrogance where Michael Joseph can be brought here by the British masters and then forced upon us and after being rich buy guns and start sponsoring Kenyans like its happening in Isiolo where Lewa owners where MJ is a big owner of land is sponsoring violence and killing and maiming Kenyans and then we say that we have tribalism in Kenya. > > Tribalism is being fuelled by racist and arrogant people like Michael Joseph and if its hard to see how Michael Joseph who in January was just waxing lyrical how much we will save on Fibre Optics is now arrogant to teh core then we need to review our stakes. > > We dont need such cheap arrogance and Michael Joseph must be told so. How can you unilaterally decide without involving shareholders that tehy must get money through Mpesa? How can you just see Kenyans as people who eat and do nothing for the company while they gave yuo teh capital to expand? > > Lets be realistic here. this is arrogance and impunity to teh core and we must face it headon. Alex, ukitaka backup you got me. We will continue highlighting this until it sinks in the head of everybody taht we have Hyenas masquerading as mother Teresa > > Internet cost must go down and we support those fighting for this in facebook, and through other social media

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Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
by Solomon Mburu 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Good people, Inasmuch as we want to air our issues, there is a need to work out things right in addressing some things. I, for instance, do not subscribe to any of Safaricom's services, yet I find it quiet worrisome when some of us decide *'I'll spit what I want without caring about the lot around!' *attitude**. There are so many things I can point out about our Telcos, both negative and positive, but how I chose to approach an issue is what matters. We are now heading to attacking personalities in the name of fighting for our rights, yet as I had indicated in the previous email on this thread, lack of a strong consumer rights body, will only make these companies smile all the way to the bank as we try outdoing each other. When you go to fight an elephant, you don't just carry an arrow and a bow, expecting to make a kill, what matters again, is not what you are carrying, but how well you'll be able to overpower it. I need someone to wake me up, if at all I'm asleep, and tell me, when did we air our grievances to the government as a body and were frustrated. Going as lone rangers, will end up as a laughing stock! Let us tone the choice of language we are using here, for God's sake! My little ranting! 2009/9/10 Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> > Onyango Hatari, > I have googled you on the internet and I have no clue what you do. > Please table on this list your achievements in the ICT sector to > warrant such spew on someone who has really helped change the IT > sector in Kenya. > > On this one, am totally disgusted to be associated with this list. And > you should apologise for making me read this email. I strive to read > all my emails but today I feel wasted. > > Do you remember where we were in 1998 when we used to queue at > Extelcoms House to pay our bills and what Safaricom can do for you > today from voice, data and even money transfer??? In just 10 years!!! > > And you have the guts to show your naked arse on this list to shame > the man who pioneered all this??? > > Get a life man.....Its not advisable to drink all night and then write > emails in the morning...for I cannot think what else could have made > you chronicle such shit to a large list like this one.... > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Onyango Hatari <onyango(a)inbox.com> > wrote: > > What MJ is displaying is arrogance which is being permitted by Dr Ndemo. > The arrogance where a poor investor can come to our country, borrow money > from our banks and then after getting rich close shop the same day like GTV > without anyone questioning. > > > > The arrogance where Michael Joseph can be brought here by the British > masters and then forced upon us and after being rich buy guns and start > sponsoring Kenyans like its happening in Isiolo where Lewa owners where MJ > is a big owner of land is sponsoring violence and killing and maiming > Kenyans and then we say that we have tribalism in Kenya. > > > > Tribalism is being fuelled by racist and arrogant people like Michael > Joseph and if its hard to see how Michael Joseph who in January was just > waxing lyrical how much we will save on Fibre Optics is now arrogant to teh > core then we need to review our stakes. > > > > We dont need such cheap arrogance and Michael Joseph must be told so. How > can you unilaterally decide without involving shareholders that tehy must > get money through Mpesa? How can you just see Kenyans as people who eat and > do nothing for the company while they gave yuo teh capital to expand? > > > > Lets be realistic here. this is arrogance and impunity to teh core and we > must face it headon. Alex, ukitaka backup you got me. We will continue > highlighting this until it sinks in the head of everybody taht we have > Hyenas masquerading as mother Teresa > > > > Internet cost must go down and we support those fighting for this in > facebook, and through other social media > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com > >> Sent: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:57:54 +0300 > >> To: onyango(a)inbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet > >> prices > >> > >> Prejudged you is not at all correct > >> > >> You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately > >> asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on > >> travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when > >> specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email > >> "Next week". > >> > >> You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced > >> communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or > >> their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for > >> information. > >> > >> And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless > >> and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media. > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> > >> wrote: > >>> I see you have prejudged us > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Michael > >>> CEO > >>> Safaricom > >>> > >>> On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> <http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> kictanet mailing list > >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>>> > >>>> This message was sent to: mjoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke > >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mjoseph%40safaricom.co… > >>> > >>> > ##################################################################################### > >>> NOTE: > >>> The information in this email and any attachments is confidential and > >>> may be > >>> legallyprivileged. It is intended only for the use of the named > >>> addressee. > >>> Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be > >>> guaranteed.Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility for > >>> the > >>> contents of thisemail if the same is found to have been altered or > >>> manipulated.The contents and opinions expressed in this email are > solely > >>> those of the authorand do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom > >>> Limited. Safaricom Limiteddisclaims any liability to the fullest extent > >>> permissible by law for any consequencesthat may arise from the contents > >>> of > >>> this email including but not limited to personalopinions, malicious > >>> and/or > >>> defamatory information and data/codes that may compromiseor damage the > >>> integrity of the recipient’s information technology systems.If you are > >>> not > >>> the intended recipient please notify the sender and immediately > >>> deletethis > >>> email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly authorised > >>> officer > >>> ofSafaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be > >>> construed > >>> as beingan offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable of > >>> constituting a contractbetween Safaricom Limited and any recipient(s) > of > >>> this email. > >>> > >>> > ##################################################################################### > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> This message was sent to: onyango(a)inbox.com > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/onyango%40inbox.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and > family! > > Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: billkagai(a)gmail.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/billkagai%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: solo.mburu(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com > -- Solomon Mburu P.O. 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Fwd: CBK JOB VACANCIES
by Kevin Ouma 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

CBK Job vacancies.

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