US SIGNALS A NEW ERA OF INTERNET GOVERNANCE IN ITS WILLINGNESS TO GIVE UP ICANN OVERSIGHT
Listers Apologies for cross-posting. As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:- 'Be careful what you wish for'. In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:- A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back. Can we rise up to the challenge? http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob... Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation. I suggest that we do just that. May I humbly request the CS to convene a Multi-Stakeholder forum in the earliest possible time to craft a National Response and Position on this issue? I humbly submit that we CANNOT afford to remain on the sidelines while matters of National Importance that are being shaped by international events continue to pass us by. More importantly the 'Digital Government' MUST be seen to engage all stakeholders going forward. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
HI Ali, On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
ISOC Kenya is an ALS McTim, it can achieve this. Best Regards On Mar 15, 2014 1:54 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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McTim I wish that were true..how I wish..then we truly will have an Internet free of borders..that however is wishful thinking in my humble opinion.. This is one argument I'm fervently hoping to loose.. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Ali, I guess we need to move away from playing at the peripheries to engaging as real stakeholders, involvement is key to Kenya and Africa's destiny, it is through this environment of give and take that we make little advancements, some day we will get to Canaan. Best Regards On Mar 15, 2014 2:15 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
McTim
I wish that were true..how I wish..then we truly will have an Internet free of borders..that however is wishful thinking in my humble opinion..
This is one argument I'm fervently hoping to loose..
*Ali Hussein*
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Barrack Can't agree with you more. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali,
I guess we need to move away from playing at the peripheries to engaging as real stakeholders, involvement is key to Kenya and Africa's destiny, it is through this environment of give and take that we make little advancements, some day we will get to Canaan.
Best Regards
On Mar 15, 2014 2:15 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: McTim
I wish that were true..how I wish..then we truly will have an Internet free of borders..that however is wishful thinking in my humble opinion..
This is one argument I'm fervently hoping to loose..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Ali and barrack. We need to move away too from just "stakeholders" its about time we identified them with there names. Some of them are within our reach and if we bulkanise we tend to drag. Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 15, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Barrack
Can't agree with you more.
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali,
I guess we need to move away from playing at the peripheries to engaging as real stakeholders, involvement is key to Kenya and Africa's destiny, it is through this environment of give and take that we make little advancements, some day we will get to Canaan.
Best Regards
On Mar 15, 2014 2:15 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: McTim
I wish that were true..how I wish..then we truly will have an Internet free of borders..that however is wishful thinking in my humble opinion..
This is one argument I'm fervently hoping to loose..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000106957/us-to-relinquish-... regards, kelvin On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Barrack
Can't agree with you more.
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali,
I guess we need to move away from playing at the peripheries to engaging as real stakeholders, involvement is key to Kenya and Africa's destiny, it is through this environment of give and take that we make little advancements, some day we will get to Canaan.
Best Regards
On Mar 15, 2014 2:15 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
McTim
I wish that were true..how I wish..then we truly will have an Internet free of borders..that however is wishful thinking in my humble opinion..
This is one argument I'm fervently hoping to loose..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Jonathan Zittrain <https://www.facebook.com/zittrain> "US gov't cedes control of Internet" announcement is 99% symbolic - and not bizarre UN giveaway. It empowers ICANN, not UN/ITU. A cynic would say that the Americans have decided that de jure control is no longer tenable and by dumping the IANA functions to ICANN would empower an organisation in which it has substantial leverage and control. As NTIA has largely been hands off the practical consequences of the occurrence are perhaps not as revolutionary as one might first think. What we need to be careful about is the organisational structure and legal position of ICANN coming out of these changes. This Board has shown a propensity for empowering itself and it's friends at the expense of the bottom up nature of MS most of us subscribe to. Since we filed our initial Reconsideration petition eleven months ago there have been twenty nine new reconsideration petitions filed, as opposed to three in 2011 and 2012 combined. Universally these petitions have been unsuccessful. This Board has ignored it's own Bylaws, flaunted it's accountability processes, denied our efforts to obtain documentation as we seek explanation for decisions made and, as above, largely shown an unwillingness to reflexively and honestly examine it's own decisions despite repeated requests by Community members. NCSG member Rolf Weber co-wrote an interesting piece a few years ago illustrating the "who controls the board" problem at ICANN, with a suggested solution, a problem that may be exacerbated by this weeks US government announcement: http://www.stlr.org/html/volume14/WeberGunnarson.pdf . Milton has also written in the past about the concept of Members, ICANN's lack thereof, and consequences under the current legal accord. I have deep concerns about the maturity of ICANN and the commitment of many in the organisation, particularly in legal, to an open, transparent and accountable governance structure. In fact, the cynic in me conceives of new oversight by Jones Day (ICANN's outside law firm) replacing that of the NTIA. I don't think that would be progress. There will be opportunity here, of course, to make positive change but let us not be so overjoyed by the proposed internationalisation of IANA to ignore the fact that ICANN itself has deep and abiding problems. There may be possibilities in the current chaos to correct some of these problems, foremost of which is sorting a way in which staff and Board are held accountable to someone or something other than themselves or the nebulous and poorly defined "community". On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Kelvin Kamau <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> wrote:
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000106957/us-to-relinquish-...
regards, kelvin
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Barrack
Can't agree with you more.
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali,
I guess we need to move away from playing at the peripheries to engaging as real stakeholders, involvement is key to Kenya and Africa's destiny, it is through this environment of give and take that we make little advancements, some day we will get to Canaan.
Best Regards
On Mar 15, 2014 2:15 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
McTim
I wish that were true..how I wish..then we truly will have an Internet free of borders..that however is wishful thinking in my humble opinion..
This is one argument I'm fervently hoping to loose..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world
will
have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet
to
a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this
new
dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Please keep in mind that governments are part of the multistakeholder process. Chip On Mar 15, 2014, at 6:55 AM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com<mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com>> wrote: HI Ali, On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke>> wrote: Listers Apologies for cross-posting. As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:- 'Be careful what you wish for'. In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:- A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back. Can we rise up to the challenge? http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob... Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation. I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/chsharp%40cisco.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Interesting that US congressmen say "no government involvement" without realizing that their involvement belies that point, see: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/internet-transition-triggers-gop-backl... On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, Chip Sharp (chsharp) <chsharp@cisco.com> wrote:
Please keep in mind that governments are part of the multistakeholder process.
Chip
On Mar 15, 2014, at 6:55 AM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dogwallah@gmail.com');>> wrote:
HI Ali,
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ali@hussein.me.ke');>
wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
As the US signals its willingness to give up oversight of the Internet to a global multi-stakeholder constituent I can't seem to help but wonder whether I should repeat the old adage:-
'Be careful what you wish for'.
In the aftermath of Snowdenia it is not unreasonable for us to have had the knee jerk reactions of the kind that erupted all over the world. Now the Multi-stakeholder community must have sober discourse, which must involve private sector for profit and do gooders, governments and the citizenry of the world at large. Even when this discourse degenerates into a Tower of Babel we must not loose sight of the ultimate goal:-
A Free, Borderless Internet where information and commerce flows without the overpowering big brother oversight that the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be advocating and which the US has been stealthily practicing behind everyone's back.
Can we rise up to the challenge?
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579439653103639452?mob...
Countries like Kenya have the opportunity to take leadership in this new dispensation.
I'm not so sure Countries as "nation states" do have that opportunity. This is all about the transition to the Private Sector (now called Multi-Stakeholderism) that was envisioned nearly 20 years ago in the White and Green Papers. In other words ICANN will be "floating free" of these USG ties. We already have several activist Kenyans in ICANN circles, perhaps we could focus on more outreach to bring in more?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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