Re: [isoc_ke] Computer and Cyber crimes bill 2016 Day 1 of 5 Part 2 Offences
Article: Owner of 0 wants $90,000 New York (CNN) — A lawyer and artist in Washington D.C. hopes to gain tens of thousands of dollars from a prescient decision he made years ago. Jeremy Peter Green, a 28-year-old who goes by the pen name Jeremy Pegg, bought the ClintonKaine.com domain for $8 in 2011. Now that Hillary Clinton is of... Sent via Flipboard, your personal magazine. Get it for free to keep up with the news you care about. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: 7/25/16 7:28 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [isoc_ke] Computer and Cyber crimes bill 2016 Day 1 of 5 Part 2 Offences Barrack and all To address the issue of uhuru.co.ke in relation to the cyber crime Bill 2006. Let me first address the issue of cybersquatting as opposed to the practice of selling domains in the Domain After Market. Cyber-Squatting is best described as the practice of registering names, especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in the hope of reselling them at a profit. For example:- Walmart.co.keCarrefour.co.keYahoo.co.ke (which incidentally I once owned when I didn't know any better! :-) )Google.co.ke (which incidentally was free once not too long ago) The domain aftermarket is the secondary market for Internet domain names which a party interested in acquiring a domain that is already registered bids or negotiates a price to effect the transfer of registration from the registered holder of that domain name.The professional pursuit of speculation in the domain aftermarket is known as domaining. The domain aftermarket has grown substantially, as an increasing number of generic domains names that promise 'marketing appeal' and 'desirability' are registered by domain warehouses, or resellers.The domain aftermarket is facilitated by auction houses which provide communication methods for buyers and sellers to interact, often anonymously, to negotiate and close a transaction. They often provide additional services, such as financial escrow services and domain parking.Now let's address the uhuru.co.ke case. This is similar to the Evans Kidero case sometime back. In that particular case the Good Governor's team had the good sense to negotiate and acquire the domain that had slipped through their fingers.So is Uhuru a Brand Name or a Generic Name? A quick look at Google search results indicate that the word Uhuru has a generic meaning (freedom) and is also a name. So which one is it? A Brand Name or a Generic one. Let's do another exercise. Word. Generic name or brand name for one of the most successful computer programs ever?You get the picture..Does this issue belong in the Cyber-Security bill?My take:- A resounding NO. Let's apportion the blame where it belongs..with the guys who should have known better and let such a valuable Generic Name lapse.KeNIC are you listening? Seems like some people need 101 lessons on Defensive Domain Registration. And to Corporates out there here's my advise for free:-Move your domain custodian services from the IT Department to the Marketing Department.My two cowrie shells.. Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Jul 2016, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Listers, As you prepare your comments, we had an interesting case last week of www.uhuru.co.ke. Apparently the owner of the domain was ready to part with it for a tidy sum of money. There were counterarguments as to whether the domain was a generic name or whether it was a trademark :-)(you know what i mean), it also brought to fore the issue of cybersquatting and whether it is an illegal activity on the dot Ke space. There are those who felt that this is a genuine mode of business akin to speculation in real estate. Was this an offence in light of the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016? Regards On 7/25/16, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers, As announced last week, online discussions on the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016 will start today. The Computer and Cybercrimes bill can be accessed using the following link http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234. Today we focus on part II of the bill which focuses on the offences: Questions 1. Does the section address computer and cyber crime related offenses in a comprehensive manner and according to International standards ? 2. If it does not can you point out areas that need to be incorporated into the bill? 3. Are there clauses in this section that will impede the growth of electronic commerce or affect online citizen participation as seen on Kenyans on Twitter (KOT) ? If that is the case , how should the same be phrased? 4. Do you have any other proposals that can be incorporated into part 2 to improve it? We welcome your feedback on the questions above, Thank you Kelvin and Barrack -- Barrack O. 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Hi all, I am not sure if we have an enacted law on Data Protection. A search from kenyalaw.org doesn't revela much. Is the Data Protection Bill 2013 in force? I am drafting a document and I need to quote any laws in Kenya regarding protecting personal information. On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:53 PM, kelvin via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Article: Owner of 0 wants $90,000
New York (CNN) — A lawyer and artist in Washington D.C. hopes to gain tens of thousands of dollars from a prescient decision he made years ago. Jeremy Peter Green, a 28-year-old who goes by the pen name Jeremy Pegg, bought the ClintonKaine.com domain for $8 in 2011. Now that Hillary Clinton is of... Sent via Flipboard, your personal magazine. Get it for free to keep up with the news you care about.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: 7/25/16 7:28 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, ISOC Kenya Chapter < isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [isoc_ke] Computer and Cyber crimes bill 2016 Day 1 of 5 Part 2 Offences
Barrack and all
To address the issue of uhuru.co.ke in relation to the cyber crime Bill 2006.
Let me first address the issue of cybersquatting as opposed to the practice of selling domains in the Domain After Market.
*Cyber-Squatting* is best described as the practice of registering names, especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in the hope of reselling them at a profit. For example:-
Walmart.co.ke Carrefour.co.ke Yahoo.co.ke (which incidentally I once owned when I didn't know any better! :-) ) Google.co.ke (which incidentally was free once not too long ago)
The *domain aftermarket* is the secondary market for Internet domain names which a party interested in acquiring a domain that is already registered bids or negotiates a price to effect the transfer of registration from the registered holder of that domain name.
The professional pursuit of speculation in the domain aftermarket is known as *domaining*. The domain aftermarket has grown substantially, as an increasing number of generic domains names that promise 'marketing appeal' and 'desirability' are registered by domain warehouses, or resellers.
The domain aftermarket is facilitated by auction houses which provide communication methods for buyers and sellers to interact, often anonymously, to negotiate and close a transaction. They often provide additional services, such as financial escrow services and domain parking.
Now let's address the *uhuru.co.ke <http://uhuru.co.ke>* case. This is similar to the Evans Kidero case sometime back. In that particular case the Good Governor's team had the good sense to negotiate and acquire the domain that had slipped through their fingers.
So is Uhuru a Brand Name or a Generic Name?
A quick look at Google search results indicate that the word Uhuru has a generic meaning (freedom) and is also a name.
So which one is it? A Brand Name or a Generic one.
Let's do another exercise.
*Word*. Generic name or brand name for one of the most successful computer programs ever?
You get the picture..
Does this issue belong in the Cyber-Security bill?
My take:- A resounding NO. Let's apportion the blame where it belongs..with the guys who should have known better and let such a valuable Generic Name lapse.
KeNIC are you listening? Seems like some people need 101 lessons on Defensive Domain Registration.
And to Corporates out there here's my advise for free:-
Move your domain custodian services from the IT Department to the Marketing Department. My two cowrie shells..
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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On 25 Jul 2016, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers,
As you prepare your comments, we had an interesting case last week of www.uhuru.co.ke. Apparently the owner of the domain was ready to part with it for a tidy sum of money. There were counterarguments as to whether the domain was a generic name or whether it was a trademark :-)(you know what i mean), it also brought to fore the issue of cybersquatting and whether it is an illegal activity on the dot Ke space. There are those who felt that this is a genuine mode of business akin to speculation in real estate. Was this an offence in light of the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016?
Regards
On 7/25/16, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
As announced last week, online discussions on the Computer and
Cybercrimes bill 2016 will start today. The Computer and Cybercrimes
bill can be accessed using the following link
http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234.
Today we focus on part II of the bill which focuses on the offences:
Questions
1. Does the section address computer and cyber crime related offenses
in a comprehensive manner and according to International standards ?
2. If it does not can you point out areas that need to be incorporated
into the bill?
3. Are there clauses in this section that will impede the growth of
electronic commerce or affect online citizen participation as seen on
Kenyans on Twitter (KOT) ? If that is the case , how should the same
be phrased?
4. Do you have any other proposals that can be incorporated into part
2 to improve it?
We welcome your feedback on the questions above,
Thank you
Kelvin and Barrack
--
Barrack O. Otieno
+254721325277
+254733206359
Skype: barrack.otieno
PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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All and Gregory, It would be important to conduct policy analysis for Data Protection bill and other related bills to ascertain information regarding impact on personal information. On Mon, Nov 21, 2016, 9:04 AM Gregory Okoth via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I am not sure if we have an enacted law on Data Protection. A search from kenyalaw.org doesn't revela much. Is the Data Protection Bill 2013 in force?
I am drafting a document and I need to quote any laws in Kenya regarding protecting personal information.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:53 PM, kelvin via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Article: Owner of 0 wants $90,000
New York (CNN) — A lawyer and artist in Washington D.C. hopes to gain tens of thousands of dollars from a prescient decision he made years ago. Jeremy Peter Green, a 28-year-old who goes by the pen name Jeremy Pegg, bought the ClintonKaine.com domain for $8 in 2011. Now that Hillary Clinton is of... Sent via Flipboard, your personal magazine. Get it for free to keep up with the news you care about.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: 7/25/16 7:28 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, ISOC Kenya Chapter < isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [isoc_ke] Computer and Cyber crimes bill 2016 Day 1 of 5 Part 2 Offences
Barrack and all
To address the issue of uhuru.co.ke in relation to the cyber crime Bill 2006.
Let me first address the issue of cybersquatting as opposed to the practice of selling domains in the Domain After Market.
*Cyber-Squatting* is best described as the practice of registering names, especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in the hope of reselling them at a profit. For example:-
Walmart.co.ke Carrefour.co.ke Yahoo.co.ke (which incidentally I once owned when I didn't know any better! :-) ) Google.co.ke (which incidentally was free once not too long ago)
The *domain aftermarket* is the secondary market for Internet domain names which a party interested in acquiring a domain that is already registered bids or negotiates a price to effect the transfer of registration from the registered holder of that domain name.
The professional pursuit of speculation in the domain aftermarket is known as *domaining*. The domain aftermarket has grown substantially, as an increasing number of generic domains names that promise 'marketing appeal' and 'desirability' are registered by domain warehouses, or resellers.
The domain aftermarket is facilitated by auction houses which provide communication methods for buyers and sellers to interact, often anonymously, to negotiate and close a transaction. They often provide additional services, such as financial escrow services and domain parking.
Now let's address the *uhuru.co.ke <http://uhuru.co.ke>* case. This is similar to the Evans Kidero case sometime back. In that particular case the Good Governor's team had the good sense to negotiate and acquire the domain that had slipped through their fingers.
So is Uhuru a Brand Name or a Generic Name?
A quick look at Google search results indicate that the word Uhuru has a generic meaning (freedom) and is also a name.
So which one is it? A Brand Name or a Generic one.
Let's do another exercise.
*Word*. Generic name or brand name for one of the most successful computer programs ever?
You get the picture..
Does this issue belong in the Cyber-Security bill?
My take:- A resounding NO. Let's apportion the blame where it belongs..with the guys who should have known better and let such a valuable Generic Name lapse.
KeNIC are you listening? Seems like some people need 101 lessons on Defensive Domain Registration.
And to Corporates out there here's my advise for free:-
Move your domain custodian services from the IT Department to the Marketing Department. My two cowrie shells..
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 25 Jul 2016, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers,
As you prepare your comments, we had an interesting case last week of www.uhuru.co.ke. Apparently the owner of the domain was ready to part with it for a tidy sum of money. There were counterarguments as to whether the domain was a generic name or whether it was a trademark :-)(you know what i mean), it also brought to fore the issue of cybersquatting and whether it is an illegal activity on the dot Ke space. There are those who felt that this is a genuine mode of business akin to speculation in real estate. Was this an offence in light of the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016?
Regards
On 7/25/16, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
As announced last week, online discussions on the Computer and
Cybercrimes bill 2016 will start today. The Computer and Cybercrimes
bill can be accessed using the following link
http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234.
Today we focus on part II of the bill which focuses on the offences:
Questions
1. Does the section address computer and cyber crime related offenses
in a comprehensive manner and according to International standards ?
2. If it does not can you point out areas that need to be incorporated
into the bill?
3. Are there clauses in this section that will impede the growth of
electronic commerce or affect online citizen participation as seen on
Kenyans on Twitter (KOT) ? If that is the case , how should the same
be phrased?
4. Do you have any other proposals that can be incorporated into part
2 to improve it?
We welcome your feedback on the questions above,
Thank you
Kelvin and Barrack
--
Barrack O. Otieno
+254721325277
+254733206359
Skype: barrack.otieno
PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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-- Regards, Greg -------- Life is not a rehearsal, you only live once!
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Not yet. It's still a bill awaiting debate in parliament and enactment into law. Victor Victor Kapiyo ==================================================== *“Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar* On 21 November 2016 at 09:02, Gregory Okoth via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I am not sure if we have an enacted law on Data Protection. A search from kenyalaw.org doesn't revela much. Is the Data Protection Bill 2013 in force?
I am drafting a document and I need to quote any laws in Kenya regarding protecting personal information.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:53 PM, kelvin via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Article: Owner of 0 wants $90,000
New York (CNN) — A lawyer and artist in Washington D.C. hopes to gain tens of thousands of dollars from a prescient decision he made years ago. Jeremy Peter Green, a 28-year-old who goes by the pen name Jeremy Pegg, bought the ClintonKaine.com domain for $8 in 2011. Now that Hillary Clinton is of... Sent via Flipboard, your personal magazine. Get it for free to keep up with the news you care about.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: 7/25/16 7:28 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, ISOC Kenya Chapter < isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [isoc_ke] Computer and Cyber crimes bill 2016 Day 1 of 5 Part 2 Offences
Barrack and all
To address the issue of uhuru.co.ke in relation to the cyber crime Bill 2006.
Let me first address the issue of cybersquatting as opposed to the practice of selling domains in the Domain After Market.
*Cyber-Squatting* is best described as the practice of registering names, especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in the hope of reselling them at a profit. For example:-
Walmart.co.ke Carrefour.co.ke Yahoo.co.ke (which incidentally I once owned when I didn't know any better! :-) ) Google.co.ke (which incidentally was free once not too long ago)
The *domain aftermarket* is the secondary market for Internet domain names which a party interested in acquiring a domain that is already registered bids or negotiates a price to effect the transfer of registration from the registered holder of that domain name.
The professional pursuit of speculation in the domain aftermarket is known as *domaining*. The domain aftermarket has grown substantially, as an increasing number of generic domains names that promise 'marketing appeal' and 'desirability' are registered by domain warehouses, or resellers.
The domain aftermarket is facilitated by auction houses which provide communication methods for buyers and sellers to interact, often anonymously, to negotiate and close a transaction. They often provide additional services, such as financial escrow services and domain parking.
Now let's address the *uhuru.co.ke <http://uhuru.co.ke>* case. This is similar to the Evans Kidero case sometime back. In that particular case the Good Governor's team had the good sense to negotiate and acquire the domain that had slipped through their fingers.
So is Uhuru a Brand Name or a Generic Name?
A quick look at Google search results indicate that the word Uhuru has a generic meaning (freedom) and is also a name.
So which one is it? A Brand Name or a Generic one.
Let's do another exercise.
*Word*. Generic name or brand name for one of the most successful computer programs ever?
You get the picture..
Does this issue belong in the Cyber-Security bill?
My take:- A resounding NO. Let's apportion the blame where it belongs..with the guys who should have known better and let such a valuable Generic Name lapse.
KeNIC are you listening? Seems like some people need 101 lessons on Defensive Domain Registration.
And to Corporates out there here's my advise for free:-
Move your domain custodian services from the IT Department to the Marketing Department. My two cowrie shells..
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 25 Jul 2016, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers,
As you prepare your comments, we had an interesting case last week of www.uhuru.co.ke. Apparently the owner of the domain was ready to part with it for a tidy sum of money. There were counterarguments as to whether the domain was a generic name or whether it was a trademark :-)(you know what i mean), it also brought to fore the issue of cybersquatting and whether it is an illegal activity on the dot Ke space. There are those who felt that this is a genuine mode of business akin to speculation in real estate. Was this an offence in light of the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016?
Regards
On 7/25/16, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
As announced last week, online discussions on the Computer and
Cybercrimes bill 2016 will start today. The Computer and Cybercrimes
bill can be accessed using the following link
http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234.
Today we focus on part II of the bill which focuses on the offences:
Questions
1. Does the section address computer and cyber crime related offenses
in a comprehensive manner and according to International standards ?
2. If it does not can you point out areas that need to be incorporated
into the bill?
3. Are there clauses in this section that will impede the growth of
electronic commerce or affect online citizen participation as seen on
Kenyans on Twitter (KOT) ? If that is the case , how should the same
be phrased?
4. Do you have any other proposals that can be incorporated into part
2 to improve it?
We welcome your feedback on the questions above,
Thank you
Kelvin and Barrack
--
Barrack O. Otieno
+254721325277
+254733206359
Skype: barrack.otieno
PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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