Re: [isoc_ke] [kictanet] Government Skips Internet Governance Forum again
Thank you Barrack for sharing, and Walubengo for "bursting" the government. Maybe we should try speculate why the government does not want to engage.This is my thesis, I might be wrong. Let me take you back to WCIT12 in Dubai, where the government and other stakeholders could not disagree on a common ground. Ali has always made sure he twists the knife when it comes to ITRs :). There was also the issue of .africa where the GAC representative was in the board of one faction, and the other stakeholders were representing a different faction. In an ensuing AU meeting Kenya was among the handful of countries that did not support South Africa's bid. After this "skirmishes", engagement with government has been very difficult. My worry is "bad blood" is affecting the way we engage, because we are basically engaging among ourselves without any significant input from business and government. Can we learn from this? How best do we remedy the situation? I beg we call for a truce in Gotham city. PS: If CAK constitutes government, we had quality representation through Vincent. If the legislature is still an arm of government, we had great representation form Hon. Rege On 22/07/2014, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2391574/-/11trae...
Best Regards
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Was there a Judiciary representative? At primary school I was taught the *three arms of government* are the Executive, Legislative and Judiciary. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via isoc < isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thank you Barrack for sharing, and Walubengo for "bursting" the government.
Maybe we should try speculate why the government does not want to engage.This is my thesis, I might be wrong. Let me take you back to WCIT12 in Dubai, where the government and other stakeholders could not disagree on a common ground. Ali has always made sure he twists the knife when it comes to ITRs :). There was also the issue of .africa where the GAC representative was in the board of one faction, and the other stakeholders were representing a different faction. In an ensuing AU meeting Kenya was among the handful of countries that did not support South Africa's bid. After this "skirmishes", engagement with government has been very difficult. My worry is "bad blood" is affecting the way we engage, because we are basically engaging among ourselves without any significant input from business and government. Can we learn from this? How best do we remedy the situation? I beg we call for a truce in Gotham city.
PS: If CAK constitutes government, we had quality representation through Vincent. If the legislature is still an arm of government, we had great representation form Hon. Rege
On 22/07/2014, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2391574/-/11trae...
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Mwendwa There was some 'form' of Government representation. Although we did expect a more engaging and senior representation which has been lacking in the last 2 years or so. I'm sure its a coincidence that this 'lack' of engagement manifested itself with the new Government so I will give them the benefit of doubt. On the issues of me 'twisting' the knife when it comes to the ITRs I think this should be taken in the spirit it is meant. That we want to engage in good faith and with good will. The nature of exemplary leadership is to take this sort of engagement as a sign that there is a new dispensation in the air. All leaders of good faith and who have the interest of our good nation at heart will take this and improve on service delivery and engagement with the different stakeholders. I'm certain that the good CS hears, listens and reads what we have to say. The challenge is for him to do something about it. And I'm sure he will as I believe he is among the leaders of good faith that I mentioned above. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Jul 23, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via isoc <isoc@mailman-prod.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thank you Barrack for sharing, and Walubengo for "bursting" the government.
Maybe we should try speculate why the government does not want to engage.This is my thesis, I might be wrong. Let me take you back to WCIT12 in Dubai, where the government and other stakeholders could not disagree on a common ground. Ali has always made sure he twists the knife when it comes to ITRs :). There was also the issue of .africa where the GAC representative was in the board of one faction, and the other stakeholders were representing a different faction. In an ensuing AU meeting Kenya was among the handful of countries that did not support South Africa's bid. After this "skirmishes", engagement with government has been very difficult. My worry is "bad blood" is affecting the way we engage, because we are basically engaging among ourselves without any significant input from business and government. Can we learn from this? How best do we remedy the situation? I beg we call for a truce in Gotham city.
PS: If CAK constitutes government, we had quality representation through Vincent. If the legislature is still an arm of government, we had great representation form Hon. Rege
On 22/07/2014, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2391574/-/11trae...
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
The best athletes never started as the best athletes. You have to think anyway, so why not think big? - Donald Trump. "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky. Tackle the biggest frog first. I will persist until I succeed - Og Mandino.
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Well said Ali. What I'm not sure is if we have institutional knowledge, if the "new kids on the block" are aware of community engagement initiatives that exists. It's time to form "coalition of the willing" if we are to render better services to the masses On 24/07/2014, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Mwendwa
There was some 'form' of Government representation. Although we did expect a more engaging and senior representation which has been lacking in the last 2 years or so. I'm sure its a coincidence that this 'lack' of engagement manifested itself with the new Government so I will give them the benefit of doubt.
On the issues of me 'twisting' the knife when it comes to the ITRs I think this should be taken in the spirit it is meant. That we want to engage in good faith and with good will. The nature of exemplary leadership is to take this sort of engagement as a sign that there is a new dispensation in the air. All leaders of good faith and who have the interest of our good nation at heart will take this and improve on service delivery and engagement with the different stakeholders.
I'm certain that the good CS hears, listens and reads what we have to say. The challenge is for him to do something about it. And I'm sure he will as I believe he is among the leaders of good faith that I mentioned above.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 23, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thank you Barrack for sharing, and Walubengo for "bursting" the government.
Maybe we should try speculate why the government does not want to engage.This is my thesis, I might be wrong. Let me take you back to WCIT12 in Dubai, where the government and other stakeholders could not disagree on a common ground. Ali has always made sure he twists the knife when it comes to ITRs :). There was also the issue of .africa where the GAC representative was in the board of one faction, and the other stakeholders were representing a different faction. In an ensuing AU meeting Kenya was among the handful of countries that did not support South Africa's bid. After this "skirmishes", engagement with government has been very difficult. My worry is "bad blood" is affecting the way we engage, because we are basically engaging among ourselves without any significant input from business and government. Can we learn from this? How best do we remedy the situation? I beg we call for a truce in Gotham city.
PS: If CAK constitutes government, we had quality representation through Vincent. If the legislature is still an arm of government, we had great representation form Hon. Rege
On 22/07/2014, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2391574/-/11trae...
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
The best athletes never started as the best athletes. You have to think anyway, so why not think big? - Donald Trump. "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky. Tackle the biggest frog first. I will persist until I succeed - Og Mandino.
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-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh The best athletes never started as the best athletes. You have to think anyway, so why not think big? - Donald Trump. "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky. Tackle the biggest frog first. I will persist until I succeed - Og Mandino.
All stakeholders need each other, there are new leaders in Government that need to be appraised and the Internet Society is able to do this, i suppose we adopt a conciliatory approach. Best Regards On 7/24/14, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Well said Ali.
What I'm not sure is if we have institutional knowledge, if the "new kids on the block" are aware of community engagement initiatives that exists. It's time to form "coalition of the willing" if we are to render better services to the masses
On 24/07/2014, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Mwendwa
There was some 'form' of Government representation. Although we did expect a more engaging and senior representation which has been lacking in the last 2 years or so. I'm sure its a coincidence that this 'lack' of engagement manifested itself with the new Government so I will give them the benefit of doubt.
On the issues of me 'twisting' the knife when it comes to the ITRs I think this should be taken in the spirit it is meant. That we want to engage in good faith and with good will. The nature of exemplary leadership is to take this sort of engagement as a sign that there is a new dispensation in the air. All leaders of good faith and who have the interest of our good nation at heart will take this and improve on service delivery and engagement with the different stakeholders.
I'm certain that the good CS hears, listens and reads what we have to say. The challenge is for him to do something about it. And I'm sure he will as I believe he is among the leaders of good faith that I mentioned above.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 23, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thank you Barrack for sharing, and Walubengo for "bursting" the government.
Maybe we should try speculate why the government does not want to engage.This is my thesis, I might be wrong. Let me take you back to WCIT12 in Dubai, where the government and other stakeholders could not disagree on a common ground. Ali has always made sure he twists the knife when it comes to ITRs :). There was also the issue of .africa where the GAC representative was in the board of one faction, and the other stakeholders were representing a different faction. In an ensuing AU meeting Kenya was among the handful of countries that did not support South Africa's bid. After this "skirmishes", engagement with government has been very difficult. My worry is "bad blood" is affecting the way we engage, because we are basically engaging among ourselves without any significant input from business and government. Can we learn from this? How best do we remedy the situation? I beg we call for a truce in Gotham city.
PS: If CAK constitutes government, we had quality representation through Vincent. If the legislature is still an arm of government, we had great representation form Hon. Rege
On 22/07/2014, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2391574/-/11trae...
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
The best athletes never started as the best athletes. You have to think anyway, so why not think big? - Donald Trump. "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky. Tackle the biggest frog first. I will persist until I succeed - Og Mandino.
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-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
The best athletes never started as the best athletes. You have to think anyway, so why not think big? - Donald Trump. "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky. Tackle the biggest frog first. I will persist until I succeed - Og Mandino.
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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