Hello folks how far are we now...? ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dawit Bekele <bekele@isoc.org> To: 'Lynn St.Amour' <st.amour@isoc.org>; 'DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD' <dottocomp@yahoo.com> Cc: 'ISOC Chapter Support' <chapter-support@isoc.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: RE: Dear Daniel, Thank you for your interest for the Internet Society and your enthusiasm to promote the Internet Society's mission in your region. Indeed, East Africa is going through major ICT changes and the Internet Society would like to continue to contribute the development of Internet in East Africa, which is why we are very happy that the Kenyan chapter establishment is going well. As I said to the members of the establishment team that we met in Nairobi last week, the African regional bureau is available to assist/advise you in the process. We are expecting the formal application that I hope will come soon. After that, we will advise you about every step that you need to follow to have the chapter chartered the briefest delay. Best regards, Dawit
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We were informed that Chapter formation might take up to a year, so we should take our time figuring out what we want a Chapter to do. Obviously we need to meet again to discuss this, but let's have your ideas online first! Daniel, what is it that you think an ISOC Chpater should do?? Maybe we should all list our top 3 items? We also need to consider seriously the idea of a City Chapter and not a Country Chapter. After all, if we are not active in kisumu/mombasa/.elsewhere, then we shouldn't deny folks there from making their own chapter! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:47 AM, DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD <dottocomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello folks how far are we now...?
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Dear Daniel,
Thank you for your interest for the Internet Society and your enthusiasm to promote the Internet Society's mission in your region. Indeed, East Africa is going through major ICT changes and the Internet Society would like to continue to contribute the development of Internet in East Africa, which is why we are very happy that the Kenyan chapter establishment is going well.
As I said to the members of the establishment team that we met in Nairobi last week, the African regional bureau is available to assist/advise you in the process. We are expecting the formal application that I hope will come soon. After that, we will advise you about every step that you need to follow to have the chapter chartered the briefest delay.
Best regards, Dawit
-----Original Message-----
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-- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Good point McTim, we need consensus on what we should as a chapter, on the model what if we have a country chapter and then various city offshoots, Grace can you advice from a legal perspective? On 10/6/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
We were informed that Chapter formation might take up to a year, so we should take our time figuring out what we want a Chapter to do.
Obviously we need to meet again to discuss this, but let's have your ideas online first!
Daniel, what is it that you think an ISOC Chpater should do??
Maybe we should all list our top 3 items?
We also need to consider seriously the idea of a City Chapter and not a Country Chapter. After all, if we are not active in kisumu/mombasa/.elsewhere, then we shouldn't deny folks there from making their own chapter!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:47 AM, DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD <dottocomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello folks how far are we now...?
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dawit Bekele <bekele@isoc.org> To: 'Lynn St.Amour' <st.amour@isoc.org>; 'DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD' <dottocomp@yahoo.com> Cc: 'ISOC Chapter Support' <chapter-support@isoc.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: RE:
Dear Daniel,
Thank you for your interest for the Internet Society and your enthusiasm to promote the Internet Society's mission in your region. Indeed, East Africa is going through major ICT changes and the Internet Society would like to continue to contribute the development of Internet in East Africa, which is why we are very happy that the Kenyan chapter establishment is going well.
As I said to the members of the establishment team that we met in Nairobi last week, the African regional bureau is available to assist/advise you in the process. We are expecting the formal application that I hope will come soon. After that, we will advise you about every step that you need to follow to have the chapter chartered the briefest delay.
Best regards, Dawit
-----Original Message-----
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McTim, I get ur point about Nairobi Chapter - particularly because most membership is likely to be based around Nairobi. HOWEVER, I would advise we go for the KENYA chapter despite this fact. Reasons? 1. A Nairobi Chapter would from the word go be exclusive (denying potential Non-Nairobi members an opportunity to join given that other chapters MSA, KSM etc are less likely to go live any time soon) 2. Usually start with a Country Chapter and after years of growth and demonstrated value, then other chapters can be encouraged to "break-away"... walu. --- On Thu, 10/6/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: To: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com>, "DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD" <dottocomp@yahoo.com>, "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:34 PM Good point McTim, we need consensus on what we should as a chapter, on the model what if we have a country chapter and then various city offshoots, Grace can you advice from a legal perspective? On 10/6/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
We were informed that Chapter formation might take up to a year, so we should take our time figuring out what we want a Chapter to do.
Obviously we need to meet again to discuss this, but let's have your ideas online first!
Daniel, what is it that you think an ISOC Chpater should do??
Maybe we should all list our top 3 items?
We also need to consider seriously the idea of a City Chapter and not a Country Chapter. After all, if we are not active in kisumu/mombasa/.elsewhere, then we shouldn't deny folks there from making their own chapter!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:47 AM, DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD <dottocomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello folks how far are we now...?
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dawit Bekele <bekele@isoc.org> To: 'Lynn St.Amour' <st.amour@isoc.org>; 'DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD' <dottocomp@yahoo.com> Cc: 'ISOC Chapter Support' <chapter-support@isoc.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: RE:
Dear Daniel,
Thank you for your interest for the Internet Society and your enthusiasm to promote the Internet Society's mission in your region. Indeed, East Africa is going through major ICT changes and the Internet Society would like to continue to contribute the development of Internet in East Africa, which is why we are very happy that the Kenyan chapter establishment is going well.
As I said to the members of the establishment team that we met in Nairobi last week, the African regional bureau is available to assist/advise you in the process. We are expecting the formal application that I hope will come soon. After that, we will advise you about every step that you need to follow to have the chapter chartered the briefest delay.
Best regards, Dawit
-----Original Message-----
Daniel Otieno Omondi Dotto Computer Agency P.o.Box 16753-00100 Tel:+254-020-313939 Cell:+254-722-756211 Nairobi,Kenya.
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-- Cheers,
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Well Said Walu, listers what are your thoughts? On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
McTim,
I get ur point about Nairobi Chapter - particularly because most membership is likely to be based around Nairobi. HOWEVER, I would advise we go for the KENYA chapter despite this fact.
Reasons? 1. A Nairobi Chapter would from the word go be exclusive (denying potential Non-Nairobi members an opportunity to join given that other chapters MSA, KSM etc are less likely to go live any time soon)
2. Usually start with a Country Chapter and after years of growth and demonstrated value, then other chapters can be encouraged to "break-away"...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 10/6/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: To: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com>, "DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD" < dottocomp@yahoo.com>, "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:34 PM
Good point McTim, we need consensus on what we should as a chapter, on the model what if we have a country chapter and then various city offshoots, Grace can you advice from a legal perspective?
On 10/6/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=dogwallah@gmail.com>> wrote:
We were informed that Chapter formation might take up to a year, so we should take our time figuring out what we want a Chapter to do.
Obviously we need to meet again to discuss this, but let's have your ideas online first!
Daniel, what is it that you think an ISOC Chpater should do??
Maybe we should all list our top 3 items?
We also need to consider seriously the idea of a City Chapter and not a Country Chapter. After all, if we are not active in kisumu/mombasa/.elsewhere, then we shouldn't deny folks there from making their own chapter!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:47 AM, DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD <dottocomp@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=dottocomp@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hello folks how far are we now...?
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dawit Bekele <bekele@isoc.org<http://mc/compose?to=bekele@isoc.org>
To: 'Lynn St.Amour' <st.amour@isoc.org<http://mc/compose?to=st.amour@isoc.org>>; 'DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD' <dottocomp@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=dottocomp@yahoo.com>> Cc: 'ISOC Chapter Support' <chapter-support@isoc.org<http://mc/compose?to=chapter-support@isoc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: RE:
Dear Daniel,
Thank you for your interest for the Internet Society and your enthusiasm to promote the Internet Society's mission in your region. Indeed, East Africa is going through major ICT changes and the Internet Society would like to continue to contribute the development of Internet in East Africa, which is why we are very happy that the Kenyan chapter establishment is going well.
As I said to the members of the establishment team that we met in Nairobi last week, the African regional bureau is available to assist/advise you in the process. We are expecting the formal application that I hope will come soon. After that, we will advise you about every step that you need to follow to have the chapter chartered the briefest delay.
Best regards, Dawit
-----Original Message-----
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Walu, That was my original thinking as well. The Isoc staff explained that city chapters are on the rise, especially in larger nations, so chapters can act locally. In usa they are able to have chapters in multiple cities, thus multiplying the efforts that could be achieved by a national chapter. We could call it central kenya chapter or nairobi chapter and still do projects in coastal or Western. If we want to do rural access projects then maybe we could focus on the entire country, but i think that may be hard to sustain. It will of course depend on funding sources. Maybe an endowment from the mobicos/usf fund? Rgds, McTim On Oct 6, 2011 7:38 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
McTim,
I get ur point about Nairobi Chapter - particularly because most membership is likely to be based around Nairobi. HOWEVER, I would advise we go for the KENYA chapter despite this fact.
Reasons? 1. A Nairobi Chapter would from the word go be exclusive (denying potential Non-Nairobi members an opportunity to join given that other chapters MSA, KSM etc are less likely to go live any time soon)
2. Usually start with a Country Chapter and after years of growth and demonstrated value, then other chapters can be encouraged to "break-away"...
walu.
--- On Thu, 10/6/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: To: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com>, "DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD" < dottocomp@yahoo.com>, "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:34 PM
Good point McTim, we need consensus on what we should as a chapter, on the model what if we have a country chapter and then various city offshoots, Grace can you advice from a legal perspective?
On 10/6/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
We were informed that Chapter formation might take up to a year, so we should take our time figuring out what we want a Chapter to do.
Obviously we need to meet again to discuss this, but let's have your ideas online first!
Daniel, what is it that you think an ISOC Chpater should do??
Maybe we should all list our top 3 items?
We also need to consider seriously the idea of a City Chapter and not a Country Chapter. After all, if we are not active in kisumu/mombasa/.elsewhere, then we shouldn't deny folks there from making their own chapter!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:47 AM, DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD <dottocomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello folks how far are we now...?
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dawit Bekele <bekele@isoc.org> To: 'Lynn St.Amour' <st.amour@isoc.org>; 'DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD' <dottocomp@yahoo.com> Cc: 'ISOC Chapter Support' <chapter-support@isoc.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: RE:
Dear Daniel,
Thank you for your interest for the Internet Society and your enthusiasm to promote the Internet Society's mission in your region. Indeed, East
Africa
is going through major ICT changes and the Internet Society would like to continue to contribute the development of Internet in East Africa, which is why we are very happy that the Kenyan chapter establishment is going well.
As I said to the members of the establishment team that we met in Nairobi last week, the African regional bureau is available to assist/advise you in the process. We are expecting the formal application that I hope will come soon. After that, we will advise you about every step that you need to follow to have the chapter chartered the briefest delay.
Best regards, Dawit
-----Original Message-----
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Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter. Regards, Ronald On 10/6/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, That was my original thinking as well. The Isoc staff explained that city chapters are on the rise, especially in larger nations, so chapters can act locally. In usa they are able to have chapters in multiple cities, thus multiplying the efforts that could be achieved by a national chapter. We could call it central kenya chapter or nairobi chapter and still do projects in coastal or Western.
If we want to do rural access projects then maybe we could focus on the entire country, but i think that may be hard to sustain.
It will of course depend on funding sources. Maybe an endowment from the mobicos/usf fund?
Rgds, McTim
On Oct 6, 2011 7:38 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
McTim,
I get ur point about Nairobi Chapter - particularly because most membership is likely to be based around Nairobi. HOWEVER, I would advise we go for the KENYA chapter despite this fact.
Reasons? 1. A Nairobi Chapter would from the word go be exclusive (denying potential Non-Nairobi members an opportunity to join given that other chapters MSA, KSM etc are less likely to go live any time soon)
2. Usually start with a Country Chapter and after years of growth and demonstrated value, then other chapters can be encouraged to "break-away"...
walu.
--- On Thu, 10/6/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: To: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com>, "DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD" < dottocomp@yahoo.com>, "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:34 PM
Good point McTim, we need consensus on what we should as a chapter, on the model what if we have a country chapter and then various city offshoots, Grace can you advice from a legal perspective?
On 10/6/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
We were informed that Chapter formation might take up to a year, so we should take our time figuring out what we want a Chapter to do.
Obviously we need to meet again to discuss this, but let's have your ideas online first!
Daniel, what is it that you think an ISOC Chpater should do??
Maybe we should all list our top 3 items?
We also need to consider seriously the idea of a City Chapter and not a Country Chapter. After all, if we are not active in kisumu/mombasa/.elsewhere, then we shouldn't deny folks there from making their own chapter!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:47 AM, DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD <dottocomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello folks how far are we now...?
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dawit Bekele <bekele@isoc.org> To: 'Lynn St.Amour' <st.amour@isoc.org>; 'DOTTO COMPUTER AGENCY LTD' <dottocomp@yahoo.com> Cc: 'ISOC Chapter Support' <chapter-support@isoc.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: RE:
Dear Daniel,
Thank you for your interest for the Internet Society and your enthusiasm to promote the Internet Society's mission in your region. Indeed, East
Africa
is going through major ICT changes and the Internet Society would like to continue to contribute the development of Internet in East Africa, which is why we are very happy that the Kenyan chapter establishment is going well.
As I said to the members of the establishment team that we met in Nairobi last week, the African regional bureau is available to assist/advise you in the process. We are expecting the formal application that I hope will come soon. After that, we will advise you about every step that you need to follow to have the chapter chartered the briefest delay.
Best regards, Dawit
-----Original Message-----
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well. Deserves a good deal of thought I think. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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Dear all, My honest take on this is that restricting ourselves to city chapters is not the ideal way to go. This is due to the fact that our cities ( Mombasa and Kisumu, other than Nairobi) are not that ICT-developed that we expect them to form chapters anytime soon - even in the next three year! Just look how long the Kenyan chapter (country chapter remember) has taken to be mooted. Chapters like Rwanda chapter kicked off a while back. On this same note, we need to borrow from our African brothers: they have country chapters and not city chapters. I have not heard of a city chapter in Africa vibrant or dormant - I'm ready to be enlightened though. The ISOC advice should be taken but we should too take local conditions into consideration when forming our own chapter. I would not like a situation where a brother or sister from Kakamega feels like a visitor in a Nairobi chapter - we need to pick up as country chapter and move on. Once we are vibrant enough, may be then we can then form sub-chapters (not chapters at City or town level) - I hope that this allowed by the ISOC constitution. But honestly, a city chapter cannot take us anywhere now, may be later. My humble submission. Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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Noted Davis, listers keep sending in your comments, we are on the right track, Davis what would you want the Kenyan Chapter to focus on? In light of the ICT landscape, Capacity building?, Policy? Or what? On 10/7/11, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
My honest take on this is that restricting ourselves to city chapters is not the ideal way to go. This is due to the fact that our cities ( Mombasa and Kisumu, other than Nairobi) are not that ICT-developed that we expect them to form chapters anytime soon - even in the next three year! Just look how long the Kenyan chapter (country chapter remember) has taken to be mooted. Chapters like Rwanda chapter kicked off a while back. On this same note, we need to borrow from our African brothers: they have country chapters and not city chapters. I have not heard of a city chapter in Africa vibrant or dormant - I'm ready to be enlightened though.
The ISOC advice should be taken but we should too take local conditions into consideration when forming our own chapter. I would not like a situation where a brother or sister from Kakamega feels like a visitor in a Nairobi chapter - we need to pick up as country chapter and move on. Once we are vibrant enough, may be then we can then form sub-chapters (not chapters at City or town level) - I hope that this allowed by the ISOC constitution.
But honestly, a city chapter cannot take us anywhere now, may be later.
My humble submission.
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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Dear all, first of all, it is a good thing that we are having discussions about the Chapter formation. This will go a long way in helping us be clear on our vision,mission and activities and even if it takes a year, we must continue to discuss. Barrack, please keep pushing us to brainstorm:) On the question of the legal implications of the city chapters, that would not really be a problem, as each city chapter would just have to register as a separate society. So this really depends on the consensus reached by members. Personally, I think for starters we should have a national chapter with powers to create branches anywhere in Kenya.If a time comes when people from a certain area or branch feel ready to start a "city" chapter then they can start that process and we shall be ready to help them where we can. Cheers! 2011/10/7 Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Noted Davis, listers keep sending in your comments, we are on the right track, Davis what would you want the Kenyan Chapter to focus on? In light of the ICT landscape, Capacity building?, Policy? Or what?
On 10/7/11, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
My honest take on this is that restricting ourselves to city chapters is not the ideal way to go. This is due to the fact that our cities ( Mombasa and Kisumu, other than Nairobi) are not that ICT-developed that we expect them to form chapters anytime soon - even in the next three year! Just look how long the Kenyan chapter (country chapter remember) has taken to be mooted. Chapters like Rwanda chapter kicked off a while back. On this same note, we need to borrow from our African brothers: they have country chapters and not city chapters. I have not heard of a city chapter in Africa vibrant or dormant - I'm ready to be enlightened though.
The ISOC advice should be taken but we should too take local conditions into consideration when forming our own chapter. I would not like a situation where a brother or sister from Kakamega feels like a visitor in a Nairobi chapter - we need to pick up as country chapter and move on. Once we are vibrant enough, may be then we can then form sub-chapters (not chapters at City or town level) - I hope that this allowed by the ISOC constitution.
But honestly, a city chapter cannot take us anywhere now, may be later.
My humble submission.
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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Thanks Grace, i am sure we don't need one year though, we have a lot of goodwill and many members are proposing a series of activities that we should do as a Chapter, Could you give us a status update on the bylaws Grace and membership Judy, well done Mctim, we will look at ways of beefing up remote participation for our members outside Nairobi, McTim, do you think we can have the Chapter within the next two months? ;-) have we fullfilled all obligations? On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear all, first of all, it is a good thing that we are having discussions about the Chapter formation. This will go a long way in helping us be clear on our vision,mission and activities and even if it takes a year, we must continue to discuss. Barrack, please keep pushing us to brainstorm:) On the question of the legal implications of the city chapters, that would not really be a problem, as each city chapter would just have to register as a separate society. So this really depends on the consensus reached by members. Personally, I think for starters we should have a national chapter with powers to create branches anywhere in Kenya.If a time comes when people from a certain area or branch feel ready to start a "city" chapter then they can start that process and we shall be ready to help them where we can. Cheers!
2011/10/7 Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Noted Davis, listers keep sending in your comments, we are on the right track, Davis what would you want the Kenyan Chapter to focus on? In light of the ICT landscape, Capacity building?, Policy? Or what?
On 10/7/11, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
My honest take on this is that restricting ourselves to city chapters is not the ideal way to go. This is due to the fact that our cities ( Mombasa and Kisumu, other than Nairobi) are not that ICT-developed that we expect them to form chapters anytime soon - even in the next three year! Just look how long the Kenyan chapter (country chapter remember) has taken to be mooted. Chapters like Rwanda chapter kicked off a while back. On this same note, we need to borrow from our African brothers: they have country chapters and not city chapters. I have not heard of a city chapter in Africa vibrant or dormant - I'm ready to be enlightened though.
The ISOC advice should be taken but we should too take local conditions into consideration when forming our own chapter. I would not like a situation where a brother or sister from Kakamega feels like a visitor in a Nairobi chapter - we need to pick up as country chapter and move on. Once we are vibrant enough, may be then we can then form sub-chapters (not chapters at City or town level) - I hope that this allowed by the ISOC constitution.
But honestly, a city chapter cannot take us anywhere now, may be later.
My humble submission.
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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Dear Barrack et al, The Kenyan chapter should ideally focus on helping government initiatives to increase internet penetration in our country and also help in building capacities of the relevant stakeholders in the internet space by coming up with policies which can help in this direction. Also, we should not be left behind in advocacy areas. Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>; McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com>; "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: Noted Davis, listers keep sending in your comments, we are on the right track, Davis what would you want the Kenyan Chapter to focus on? In light of the ICT landscape, Capacity building?, Policy? Or what? On 10/7/11, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
My honest take on this is that restricting ourselves to city chapters is not the ideal way to go. This is due to the fact that our cities ( Mombasa and Kisumu, other than Nairobi) are not that ICT-developed that we expect them to form chapters anytime soon - even in the next three year! Just look how long the Kenyan chapter (country chapter remember) has taken to be mooted. Chapters like Rwanda chapter kicked off a while back. On this same note, we need to borrow from our African brothers: they have country chapters and not city chapters. I have not heard of a city chapter in Africa vibrant or dormant - I'm ready to be enlightened though.
The ISOC advice should be taken but we should too take local conditions into consideration when forming our own chapter. I would not like a situation where a brother or sister from Kakamega feels like a visitor in a Nairobi chapter - we need to pick up as country chapter and move on. Once we are vibrant enough, may be then we can then form sub-chapters (not chapters at City or town level) - I hope that this allowed by the ISOC constitution.
But honestly, a city chapter cannot take us anywhere now, may be later.
My humble submission.
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@orion.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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McTim, Based on my understanding of the feedback from various members there is a feeling that we have a country chapter first, to enable us take off of since the City Chapters might not be self sustaining at the moment after which we can start forming city chapters, i think after forming a team some of our members based in the Cities can start of the City Chapters with the help of the Country Chapter, i agree with you Mctim that we should find a way of working with other Industry players such as TESPOK and KeNIC, i noticed thatb in most countries there is a close working relationship between the ISOC Chapters and the ccTLD community can we pursue this route? On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack et al,
The Kenyan chapter should ideally focus on helping government initiatives to increase internet penetration in our country and also help in building capacities of the relevant stakeholders in the internet space by coming up with policies which can help in this direction. Also, we should not be left behind in advocacy areas.
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd* ------------------------------ *From:* Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> *To:* Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>; McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com>; " isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2011 8:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
Noted Davis, listers keep sending in your comments, we are on the right track, Davis what would you want the Kenyan Chapter to focus on? In light of the ICT landscape, Capacity building?, Policy? Or what?
On 10/7/11, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
My honest take on this is that restricting ourselves to city chapters is not the ideal way to go. This is due to the fact that our cities ( Mombasa and Kisumu, other than Nairobi) are not that ICT-developed that we expect them to form chapters anytime soon - even in the next three year! Just look how long the Kenyan chapter (country chapter remember) has taken to be mooted. Chapters like Rwanda chapter kicked off a while back. On this same note, we need to borrow from our African brothers: they have country chapters and not city chapters. I have not heard of a city chapter in Africa vibrant or dormant - I'm ready to be enlightened though.
The ISOC advice should be taken but we should too take local conditions into consideration when forming our own chapter. I would not like a situation where a brother or sister from Kakamega feels like a visitor in a Nairobi chapter - we need to pick up as country chapter and move on. Once we are vibrant enough, may be then we can then form sub-chapters (not chapters at City or town level) - I hope that this allowed by the ISOC constitution.
But honestly, a city chapter cannot take us anywhere now, may be later.
My humble submission.
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
McTim, Based on my understanding of the feedback from various members there is a feeling that we have a country chapter first, to enable us take off of since the City Chapters might not be self sustaining at the moment after which we can start forming city chapters, i think after forming a team some of our members based in the Cities can start of the City Chapters with the help of the Country Chapter,
I think the key point to consider is that city chapters CANNOT be started if there is a national Chapter. I'm not sure about "sub-chapters", perhaps Christine from ISOC can advise us. i agree with you Mctim that we should find a way of
working with other Industry players such as TESPOK and KeNIC, i noticed thatb in most countries there is a close working relationship between the ISOC Chapters and the ccTLD community can we pursue this route?
Of course, but I think it is the mobicos that have the deepest pockets. If we can be seen to help them with Universal Service obligations (by spreading the edge of the network) then they could see a way to help us I am speculating). -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hi all, Let me try to clarify some of these points concerning a national Chapter vs. city Chapters. The question that is important to consider if you opt for a national Chapter is how you will reach out to Chapter members from other regions. Will you be able to organize events outside of Nairobi as well? (This should be possible if you manage to have enough active Chapter members in other regions as well). Will you be able to offer remote participation in your meetings for those who do not live in Nairobi and who might not be able to travel to Nairobi? The suggestion of my colleagues last week to think about city Chapters was to create stand-alone city-Chapters - which would be separate Chapters (not sub-Chapters in any way) directly chartered by the Internet Society global - but please note that we are not against a national Chapter at all, as long as it remains inclusive and accessible to everyone. As you can see on this map: http://www.isoc.org/apps/maps/, there are for example various city-Chapters in India (e.g. Internet Society Chennai Chapter, Internet Society Kolkota Chapter, etc.) and Spain. In Spain there is even a national Chapter alongside a series of city Chapters. The important thing here is that these Chapters should not be competitive in any way. The bylaws of the national Chapter should also be clear about the fact that it doesn't claim exclusiveness in terms of its geographical scope in order to avoid conflicts among these Chapters. The creation and official chartering of sub-chapters by an Internet Society Chapter would actually raise a series of legal issues linked to the protection of the Internet Society and "Internet Society Kenya Chapter"-trademark, which will be protected by the Internet Society once the Kenya Chapter will be chartered by ISOC global as one of its Chapters; this does not include the right for the Chapter to further distribute these trademark rights to sub-Chapters. In addition to these legal problems, the creation of a sub-Chapter hierarchy would not benefit the sub-Chapters in any way when it comes to the acquisition of supplementary funds (e.g. event funding, travel fellowships). Also in terms of communicating with these members, we are not in favour of creating an additional layer that might make reaching out to our members through such a hierarchy more difficult. We nevertheless see the difficulty of reaching out to various groups over a geographically very large area. Some solutions to this might include the creation of local "contact groups" or "interest groups" of a national Chapter (e.g. groups with a focus on specific ICT policy or technical issues). The members of these groups would still be direct members of the Internet Society Kenya Chapter (and thus members of ISOC). I hope you find these explanations helpful - and sorry for the length of this message! Best regards, Christine --------------------------------------------------------------- Internet Society (ISOC) Christine Saegesser Baethge Manager, Chapter Development Website: www.InternetSociety.org --------------------------------------------------------------- On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:29 AM, McTim wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
McTim, Based on my understanding of the feedback from various members there is a feeling that we have a country chapter first, to enable us take off of since the City Chapters might not be self sustaining at the moment after which we can start forming city chapters, i think after forming a team some of our members based in the Cities can start of the City Chapters with the help of the Country Chapter,
I think the key point to consider is that city chapters CANNOT be started if there is a national Chapter. I'm not sure about "sub-chapters", perhaps Christine from ISOC can advise us.
i agree with you Mctim that we should find a way of
working with other Industry players such as TESPOK and KeNIC, i noticed thatb in most countries there is a close working relationship between the ISOC Chapters and the ccTLD community can we pursue this route?
Of course, but I think it is the mobicos that have the deepest pockets. If we can be seen to help them with Universal Service obligations (by spreading the edge of the network) then they could see a way to help us I am speculating).
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
Thanks, Christine, for a helpful detailed explanation. We have thought a bit about this in New York, where we have an active "uptown" membership in Harlem that might merit their own organization. It would really be a SIG under a different name. The word we came up with is "branch". Yet to initiate, but probably will in the next year. I just attended a Chapter Workshop in Philadelphia and again, was impressed by the DC Chapter's novel arrangement. They dispense with President, VP etc - and have two Convenors plus a 15 person Council. Plus 2 year term limits! I think the last is might be questionable, as we have seen with most Chapters there are always a few solid individuals who are the backbone, but the council idea is not unattractive. So maybe something like a national "Council" with separate branches for Mombasa and Nairobi might work? j On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Christine Saegesser <saegesser@isoc.org>wrote:
Hi all,
<snip>
We nevertheless see the difficulty of reaching out to various groups over a geographically very large area. Some solutions to this might include the creation of local "contact groups" or "interest groups" of a national Chapter (e.g. groups with a focus on specific ICT policy or technical issues). The members of these groups would still be direct members of the Internet Society Kenya Chapter (and thus members of ISOC).
I hope you find these explanations helpful - and sorry for the length of this message!
Best regards,
Christine
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Thanks Jolie and Christine, Grace can you share the bylaws once again maybe we should seek consensus based on the proposals contained therein. Bon Weekend :-) On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
Thanks, Christine, for a helpful detailed explanation.
We have thought a bit about this in New York, where we have an active "uptown" membership in Harlem that might merit their own organization. It would really be a SIG under a different name. The word we came up with is "branch". Yet to initiate, but probably will in the next year.
I just attended a Chapter Workshop in Philadelphia and again, was impressed by the DC Chapter's novel arrangement. They dispense with President, VP etc - and have two Convenors plus a 15 person Council. Plus 2 year term limits! I think the last is might be questionable, as we have seen with most Chapters there are always a few solid individuals who are the backbone, but the council idea is not unattractive.
So maybe something like a national "Council" with separate branches for Mombasa and Nairobi might work?
j
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Christine Saegesser <saegesser@isoc.org>wrote:
Hi all,
<snip>
We nevertheless see the difficulty of reaching out to various groups over a geographically very large area. Some solutions to this might include the creation of local "contact groups" or "interest groups" of a national Chapter (e.g. groups with a focus on specific ICT policy or technical issues). The members of these groups would still be direct members of the Internet Society Kenya Chapter (and thus members of ISOC).
I hope you find these explanations helpful - and sorry for the length of this message!
Best regards,
Christine
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@ barrack, brainstorming is a very good way forward to iron things out but too much of it will be a little bit time consuming and ISOC Kenya chapter need to be registered as Grace had given us the bit about the bylaws. Thanks Daniel Omondi --------------------------------------------------------------------- Imagination is more important than knowledge --------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> Cc: isoc@lists.my.co.ke Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: National Chapter vs. City-Chapters Thanks Jolie and Christine, Grace can you share the bylaws once again maybe we should seek consensus based on the proposals contained therein. Bon Weekend :-) On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote: Thanks, Christine, for a helpful detailed explanation.
We have thought a bit about this in New York, where we have an active "uptown" membership in Harlem that might merit their own organization. It would really be a SIG under a different name. The word we came up with is "branch". Yet to initiate, but probably will in the next year.
I just attended a Chapter Workshop in Philadelphia and again, was impressed by the DC Chapter's novel arrangement. They dispense with President, VP etc - and have two Convenors plus a 15 person Council. Plus 2 year term limits! I think the last is might be questionable, as we have seen with most Chapters there are always a few solid individuals who are the backbone, but the council idea is not unattractive.
So maybe something like a national "Council" with separate branches for Mombasa and Nairobi might work?
j
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Christine Saegesser <saegesser@isoc.org> wrote:
Hi all,
<snip>
We nevertheless see the difficulty of reaching out to various groups over a geographically very large area. Some solutions to this might include the creation of local "contact groups" or "interest groups" of a national Chapter (e.g. groups with a focus on specific ICT policy or technical issues). The members of these groups would still be direct members of the Internet Society Kenya Chapter (and thus members of ISOC).
I hope you find these explanations helpful - and sorry for the length of this message!
Best regards,
Christine
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The best ISOC Kenya Chapter formation approach, I think, would be to fast forward, say, 20 years into the future then look back at today and decide what can take us there? Infrastructre will be in place, Internet widespread, myriads of soft issues will have emerged which various cities/towns residents will keenly contribute to. Not forgetting our brand new constitution created counties, hence decentralising hitherto Nairobi-centric approach to everything. In short, much embrace the National Council idea with other regional/counties leads/ representatives or, for lack of a better, "formations." thanks, Alex On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
Thanks, Christine, for a helpful detailed explanation.
We have thought a bit about this in New York, where we have an active "uptown" membership in Harlem that might merit their own organization. It would really be a SIG under a different name. The word we came up with is "branch". Yet to initiate, but probably will in the next year.
I just attended a Chapter Workshop in Philadelphia and again, was impressed by the DC Chapter's novel arrangement. They dispense with President, VP etc - and have two Convenors plus a 15 person Council. Plus 2 year term limits! I think the last is might be questionable, as we have seen with most Chapters there are always a few solid individuals who are the backbone, but the council idea is not unattractive.
So maybe something like a national "Council" with separate branches for Mombasa and Nairobi might work?
j
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Christine Saegesser <saegesser@isoc.org>wrote:
Hi all,
<snip>
We nevertheless see the difficulty of reaching out to various groups over a geographically very large area. Some solutions to this might include the creation of local "contact groups" or "interest groups" of a national Chapter (e.g. groups with a focus on specific ICT policy or technical issues). The members of these groups would still be direct members of the Internet Society Kenya Chapter (and thus members of ISOC).
I hope you find these explanations helpful - and sorry for the length of this message!
Best regards,
Christine
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Barrack and McTim, I agree with this line of thinking and would encourage brainstorming in this one... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Imagination is more important than knowledge --------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw: McTim, Based on my understanding of the feedback from various members there is a feeling that we have a country chapter first, to enable us take off of since the City Chapters might not be self sustaining at the moment after which we can start forming city chapters, i think after forming a team some of our members based in the Cities can start of the City Chapters with the help of the Country Chapter, i agree with you Mctim that we should find a way of working with other Industry players such as TESPOK and KeNIC, i noticed thatb in most countries there is a close working relationship between the ISOC Chapters and the ccTLD community can we pursue this route? On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Barrack et al,
The Kenyan chapter should ideally focus on helping government initiatives to increase internet penetration in our country and also help in building capacities of the relevant stakeholders in the internet space by coming up with policies which can help in this direction. Also, we should not be left behind in advocacy areas. Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
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________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>; McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com>; "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
Noted Davis, listers keep sending in your comments, we are on the right track, Davis what would you want the Kenyan Chapter to focus on? In light of the ICT landscape, Capacity building?, Policy? Or what?
On 10/7/11, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
My honest take on this is that restricting ourselves to city chapters is not the ideal way to go. This is due to the fact that our cities ( Mombasa and Kisumu, other than Nairobi) are not that ICT-developed that we expect them to form chapters anytime soon - even in the next three year! Just look how long the Kenyan chapter (country chapter remember) has taken to be mooted. Chapters like Rwanda chapter kicked off a while back. On this same note, we need to borrow from our African brothers: they have country chapters and
not
city chapters. I have not heard of a city chapter in Africa vibrant or dormant - I'm ready to be enlightened though.
The ISOC advice should be taken but we should too take local conditions into consideration when forming our own chapter. I would not like a situation where a brother or sister from Kakamega feels like a visitor in a Nairobi chapter - we need to pick up as country chapter and move on. Once we are vibrant enough, may be then we can then form sub-chapters (not chapters at City or town level) - I hope that this allowed by the ISOC constitution.
But honestly, a city chapter cannot take us anywhere now, may be later.
My humble submission.
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
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________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@orion.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fw:
McTim, i think that is why we need some legal guidance in so far as the Registrar of Societies is concerned before making a move, i hope Grace can help us crack this or any other legal expert within the ISOC Ke fraternity.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Ronald Ojino <ronojinx@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for my late entry into the discussion. However as a resident of kisumu, i think we should stick to the kenyan chapter so as not to lock out people like us. Just to echo Walubengo's sentiments,it may take a long while to come up with chapters in other parts of the country. i also think that we can equally contribute to isoc kenya via remote participation. It also makes logic if the city chapters are born from the country chapter.
Yes, but if we declare the entire nation of kenya as our area of influence in our chapter application, we will have to dissolve the KE Chapter if we want to do city chapters. There is no reason that we couldn't have a Kisumu/Mombasa/Wajir resident join our NBO Chapter as well.
Deserves a good deal of thought I think.
-- Cheers,
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Alex Gakuru -
Barrack Otieno -
Christine Saegesser -
Davis Onsakia -
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Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
Joly MacFie -
McTim -
Ronald Ojino -
Walubengo J