Joly/Davis I agree you entirely on the need for training of journalists. And before we can blame them, lets please remember that they are not experts in everything. It is we who understand these technological issues that must unpackage for them in a language that is simple and will be understood by the ordinary person in Kenya. Remember they report in simplified ways aimed at getting clear messages to audiences. My problem is that when we (read experts, not just in ICT issues but in other areas) talk to journalists, we assume they should be on the same footing with us, and go on to use all the jargon, acronyms (argh!) and provide scanty details with the assumption that for example the journalist(s) should automatically know 'these things'. We need to take on the challenge of training the journalists, and when talking to them or being interviewed, explain stuff, and avoid assumptions that this is 'common knowledge'. If Kenyans in various fields did this, we would see an improvement in instances of misrepresentation of facts. So next time you talk to a journalist, kindly unapackage issues. Sometimes technological issues require you the expert to bring yourself down as if you were explaining to a two year old (to quote Maina Kageni). RgdsGG Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:39:26 -0800 From: mautidavis@yahoo.com To: joly@punkcast.com; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Kamau Mbote Dear Joly, I think most writers/journalists need some training on reportage of technology issues. He has tried but somehow failed in communicating the ISOC Ke launch well; he sort of of ended misforming the public. Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd From: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> To: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: [ISOC_KE] Kamau Mbote In my search online for mentions of the launch event, all I could come up with is http://www.humanipo.com/blog/2926/Kenyan-chapter-of-Internet-Society-launche... Author Kamau Mbote is to be commended in covering the event, however the article is somewhat mis-informative.. 1) It lists IS as the acronym for the Internet Society. 2) It says "a global lobby group advocating Internet freedoms, is opening an office in Kenya this week" = not entirely accurate.3) It doesn't make clear the relationship of George Kithi to ISOC-KE (and the link to the story is messed up - it is here ) while implying controversial statements are ISOC-KE policy. 4) It concludes- "Kenya joins the 193 Internation Telecommunications Union (ITU) member states in having an IS presence." - which is just plain nonsense! Perhaps someone could contact Mr. Mobote and set him straight? -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc

Joly,  I like this. I agree with you that an FAQ on ISOC KE website with these questions and corresponding responses might help our journalists (and many of us) in understanding ISOC better, more so when it comes to communicating to others about internet issues and specifically ISOC.   Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> To: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Cc: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>; "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Kamau Mbote Well I don't know about "training" but clearly worded press releases might be an idea, and a FAQ on the web site for back up.  Q: What is the Internet Society? Q: What does the Internet Society do? Q: What is ISOC KE? Q: What does ISOC KE do? Q. Is ISOC KE a lobbying organization? even down to stuff like  Q: What is an IXP? etc etc On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Joly/Davis

I agree you entirely on the need for training of journalists. And before we can blame them, lets please remember that they are not experts in everything. It is we who understand these technological issues that must unpackage for them in a language that is simple and will be understood by the ordinary person in Kenya. Remember they report in simplified ways aimed at getting clear messages to audiences. My problem is that when we (read experts, not just in ICT issues but in other areas) talk to journalists, we assume they should be on the same footing with us, and go on to use all the jargon, acronyms (argh!) and provide scanty details with the assumption that for example the journalist(s) should automatically know 'these things'.

We need to take on the challenge of training the journalists, and when talking to them or being interviewed, explain stuff, and avoid assumptions that this is 'common knowledge'. If Kenyans in various fields did this, we would see an improvement in instances of misrepresentation of facts. So next time you talk to a journalist, kindly unapackage issues. Sometimes technological issues require you the expert to bring yourself down as if you were explaining to a two year old (to quote Maina Kageni).

Rgds GG

________________________________ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:39:26 -0800 From: mautidavis@yahoo.com To: joly@punkcast.com; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Kamau Mbote

Dear Joly,

I think most writers/journalists need some training on reportage of technology issues. He has tried but somehow failed in communicating the ISOC Ke launch well; he sort of of ended misforming the public.   Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia

'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd

________________________________ From: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> To: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@orion.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: [ISOC_KE] Kamau Mbote

In my search online for mentions of the launch event, all I could come up with is

http://www.humanipo.com/blog/2926/Kenyan-chapter-of-Internet-Society-launche...

Author Kamau Mbote is to be commended in covering the event, however the article is somewhat mis-informative..

1) It lists IS as the acronym for the Internet Society. 2) It says "a global lobby group advocating Internet freedoms, is opening an office in Kenya this week" = not entirely accurate. 3) It doesn't make clear the relationship of George Kithi to ISOC-KE (and the link to the story is messed up - it is here ) while implying controversial statements are ISOC-KE policy. 4) It concludes- "Kenya joins the 193 Internation Telecommunications Union (ITU) member states in having an IS presence." - which is just plain nonsense!

Perhaps someone could contact Mr. Mobote and set him straight?

-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie  218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com  http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com  VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc

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