Might be an interesting read following Kelvin Githira's question ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Delfi Ramirez <delf772@yahoo.es> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:38:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Facebook and Free Basics To: Gary Wayne Kenward <garykenward@ieee.org> Cc: "[mailto:" <internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org>, "internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" <internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org> Gary: Thank you very much for your observation and for the projects provided in the link, too. I really appreciate it and find of interest. Far way from my intention, was to pretend or refer a solution in the electrical and electronics engineering area of knowledge and practice, areas where my ignorance is vast, and I apologize if this sense was meant in my letter. I agree with you in saying satellite is just one of the possible options.

From the news Astrid brought us, I realize we were, maybe, entering into a hole discussion about the pros and cons of a tool, the initiative and offer Mark and his company (and the social tool they provide ), instead of, as you well mention, the real issue, which is the funding for infrastructure.

I realize there is a collision between interests and means of what is and will be the Internet for a lot of humans who do not have access to it. Not being myself an expert in this field, I guess it would be positive to know what choices are the most favourable, and of course not to allow directly a tool to represent the whole Internet. Which, in other aspect, has become a social need. Cheers Delfín Ramirez Ruiz weblog: http://delfiramirez.blogspot.com skype: segonquart linkedin: http://es.linkedin.com/in/delfin -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/10/15, Gary Wayne Kenward <garykenward@ieee.org> wrote: Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Facebook and Free Basics To: "Delfi Ramirez" <delf772@yahoo.es> Cc: "Astrid Maharani" <amaharanic@gmail.com>, "[mailto:" <internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org>, "internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" <internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org> Date: Monday, 5 October, 2015, 21:01 Defli: Satellite Internet is not new. For example, Hughes (the Aeronautics/Defence Company) has operated such a service, world wide, for many years (http://www.hughes.com/technologies/satellite-systems). There are limitations to satellite Internet services, primarily related to power attenuation and propagation delay on the uplink. Wireless backhaul is a very good option for providing Internet connectivity to remote areas. Satellite is one option to consider. So is long haul point to point WiFi. This project might interest you: http://tinyurl.com/nvxquj8. Eventually, the real issue is funding for infrastructure, whether ground station based wireless or satellite or cable or fibre. Cheers,Gary -----------------------------------------------When all think alike, then no one is thinking. – Walter Lippman THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL. THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT TO BE COPIED, PRINTED OR REDISTRIBUTED WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR. On 2015.10.05, at 15:06, Delfi Ramirez <delf772@yahoo.es> wrote: Dear All: First at all, thank you vm Astrid for pointing us to these news. It lead us to see and analyse the needed scenario clearly, and take some decisions based on it. Mark ( Zuckerberg) announces a pàrtner agreement with Eutelstat, and -- if I understood it well -- this is why his company is capable and is in real advantage to offer Internet services to those who, unfortunately, cannot use or access them. His solution goes beyond and further other considerations. The goal offered by him is access to those who cannot use the Internet. And his solution does not comes from the choice of a tool ( his own company ) , which may be the subject of most of the objections I have read in this thread, but from the benefit of spreading the connections through the infrastructure and assets a company that offers connectivity between humans has. Eutelstat has the needed infrastructure to provide access to the Internet. Let me , please, explain you something that might be of use. Fifteen years ago, aproximately , when I was analysing the need of trade and communications ( web/email commerce solutions ) I face the same issue of the need to spread the Internet around a region located in South Europe. After some months of heavy work and studies, then, that time, I reached to same conclusion Mark offers to us now. For the access for those zones where cable , or dial-up connections were not present, would be expensive to use or would take too long to be physically implemented, the feasible solution was the need of the active participation and presence and infrastructure of a satellite communications company to act or to be she the provider. Which might look of interest and which we should take in consideration for the feasible alternate solutions ( if any ) we may propose. Instead of talking about possible tools ( Wikipedia, Facebook, etcetera ) my we focus on the deliver of the access, and the costs of them. Mark provide us a solution. Any alternatives around here ? Note: There are, of course, other feasible scenarios that may offer or give us a solution to this concern ( how we give access to the Internet services --all of them -- for a segment or target of population ), which I would be glad to discuss privately with those interestd. Cheers Delfín Ramirez Ruiz weblog: http://delfiramirez.blogspot.com skype: segonquart linkedin: http://es.linkedin.com/in/delfin -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/10/15, Astrid Maharani <amaharanic@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Facebook and Free Basics To: Cc: "[mailto:" <internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org>, "internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" <internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org> Date: Monday, 5 October, 2015, 18:58 Hey all, just wanted to share fresh news from Mark Zuckerberg regarding to our discussions here that I've got from his FB Page. Let me know how do you think? Best,Astrid --I'm excited to announce our first project to deliver internet from space. As part of our Internet.org efforts to connect the world, we're partnering with Eutelsat to launch a satellite into orbit that will connect millions of people.Over the last year Facebook has been exploring ways to use aircraft and satellites to beam internet access down into communities from the sky. To connect people living in remote regions, traditional connectivity infrastructure is often difficult and inefficient, so we need to invent new technologies.As part of our collaboration with Eutelsat, a new satellite called Amos-6 is going to provide internet coverage to large parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. The Amos-6 satellite is under construction now and will launch in 2016 into a geostationary orbit that will cover large parts of West, East and Southern Africa. We’re going to work with local partners across these regions to help communities begin accessing internet services provided through satellite.This is just one of the innovations we’re working on to achieve our mission with Internet.org. Connectivity changes lives and communities. We’re going to keep working to connect the entire world -- even if that means looking beyond our planet. Source: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10102407675865061?pnref=story On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote: On 5 October 2015 at 15:07, Gary W Kenward <garykenward@eastlink.ca> wrote: And then there are those - mostly young people, who consider Facebook to be yesterday's news and wonder why you don't use Instagram, Snapchat, Vine [...] In my experience, given the technology time lag and the network effect of any such service (you go where your contacts are), inertia plays a stronger factor for new-to-Internet use than it does with people who are comfortable with it. And this factor has worked well, so far, for Facebook against competitors of its own generation (Myspace, Orkut, Socl, Google+ and many others). As you suggest, the current youth abandonment of Facebook may be more generational in cause than anything else. In my personal experience, people started leaving Facebook once their parents started poking them. We will continue to have cycles of sites that are cool and high demand -- until they're not and people move on. But that level of social media mobility will take time for new-to-the-Internet populations. By the time that present-day new users are comfortable enough to explore Facebook alternatives, there will be many yet-unimagined rivals available. <now, to bring things back on point...> Facebook's challenge is to deter people from moving away from their platform once they have the skill, comfort level (and in our context, affordable full-Web infrastructure) to do so. FB is welcome to dissuade people from leaving by providing superior services and interfaces and value. My concern is that they don't deter people from switching through artificial and deliberate lock-in techniques. - Evan _______________________________________________ To manage your ISOC subscriptions or unsubscribe, please log into the ISOC Member Portal: https://portal.isoc.org/ Then choose Interests & Subscriptions from the My Account menu. -- Astrid Maharani CaturiadikrishnaProgram Officer for UN-OIC Advocacy Human Rights Working Group (HRWG) Indonesia's NGO Coalition for International Human Rights AdvocacyJiwasraya Building Lobby Floor, Jl. RP. 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