Re: [isoc_ke] [kictanet] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
On 20 January 2015 at 17:26, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On the side of the four media houses I believe they have a right to have a commercial discussion with GOtv and the others since content drives advertising revenue
I tend to believe GOtv, Startimes are "aerial" providers. If I am an advertiser, and I want my audience to be KBC viewers, I would put my advert on KBC and not GOtv. In the same breadth, the "aerial" providers should not be able to dictate a user's viewing experience. If I'm viewing KBC via Startimes, at no time should I see Startimes or ElimuTV or Citizen TV related advert without me the viewer switching stations. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
Here is the latest: High Court Orders NTV, Citizen, KTN To Cease Airing Ads Claiming GOtv Is Doing Illegal Business wp.me/p1qlhv-7XT <http://t.co/rKZWqOXzuo> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 20 January 2015 at 17:26, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On the side of the four media houses I believe they have a right to have a commercial discussion with GOtv and the others since content drives advertising revenue
I tend to believe GOtv, Startimes are "aerial" providers. If I am an advertiser, and I want my audience to be KBC viewers, I would put my advert on KBC and not GOtv. In the same breadth, the "aerial" providers should not be able to dictate a user's viewing experience. If I'm viewing KBC via Startimes, at no time should I see Startimes or ElimuTV or Citizen TV related advert without me the viewer switching stations.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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Mwendwa That is exactly my point. We shouldn't disregard the fact that content costs. In the recent past we have seen local TV Stations come up with winning local programs. And local artists being awarded accordingly. We mustn't think that this comes out of thin air. Let Startimes and others enter into a commercial discussion with the media houses. I am sure they will come to an agreement. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com
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On 20 January 2015 at 17:26, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On the side of the four media houses I believe they have a right to have a commercial discussion with GOtv and the others since content drives advertising revenue
I tend to believe GOtv, Startimes are "aerial" providers. If I am an advertiser, and I want my audience to be KBC viewers, I would put my advert on KBC and not GOtv. In the same breadth, the "aerial" providers should not be able to dictate a user's viewing experience. If I'm viewing KBC via Startimes, at no time should I see Startimes or ElimuTV or Citizen TV related advert without me the viewer switching stations.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
Happy Ladies Day! The main description of the actions by the players is - Laggards, which is very sad since it would have been expected that the big players would have been the industry trend setter on this global move. I take that their technocrats should understand it much better than the rest of us and even have been part of the global drivers leave alone even locally in Kenya.They seem to be playing catch-up when the industry has already moved on. I would expect them to act more as awareness,enlightening us the public on this migration and possibly how best it should be carried out. In the meantime their Boardrooms should have been busy with their specific stations game plan or a joint industry one. Sadly it seems this is another case of the dominant player now playing catch up and using reputation tactics to try and stall a development that is already on course. Aside from that, in making business sense I would expect that there is earning sharing formulaes between the TV stations and the "decorder owners" which may range from; air my TV Station content for free and reach as many people as possible then advertisers will pay as I have dominant reach or as a TV Station and content owner, then pay me so as to air my content through your decorder.So where is such business formulae not working thus resulting in the need to air the Adverts on breach of rights et al? Moreover, to view all the TV Stations and even more there are other routes without the need for the said decorders - via the internet (even newspapers!). Which means that the more the internet reach grows, the more creative the Boardrooms require to be as this shakes up the traditional model of their business. In the meantime, I and many more continue to enjoy the TV stations that do not require use of decorders, as we await for the supplier who will give them for free (why invest in a gadget) thus they may reach out to advertisers and blow their trumpet on their mass reach! I believe this is an opportunity for exciting times for their Boardroom teams, consumers are good at uptake - only if they can get into "new business model mode" and faster faster. Have a blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Wednesday, 21 January 2015, 7:52, Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Mwendwa That is exactly my point. We shouldn't disregard the fact that content costs. In the recent past we have seen local TV Stations come up with winning local programs. And local artists being awarded accordingly. We mustn't think that this comes out of thin air. Let Startimes and others enter into a commercial discussion with the media houses. I am sure they will come to an agreement. AliHussein Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 17:26, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: On the side of the four media houses I believe they have a right to have a commercial discussion with GOtv and the others since content drives advertising revenue I tend to believe GOtv, Startimes are "aerial" providers. If I am an advertiser, and I want my audience to be KBC viewers, I would put my advert on KBC and not GOtv. In the same breadth, the "aerial" providers should not be able to dictate a user's viewing experience. If I'm viewing KBC via Startimes, at no time should I see Startimes or ElimuTV or Citizen TV related advert without me the viewer switching stations. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
Thanks Wangari, My comments inline. On 21 January 2015 at 09:55, WANGARI KABIRU <wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Happy Ladies Day!
The main description of the actions by the players is - Laggards, which is very sad since it would have been expected that the big players would have been the industry trend setter on this global move. I take that their technocrats should understand it much better than the rest of us and even have been part of the global drivers leave alone even locally in Kenya. They seem to be playing catch-up when the industry has already moved on.
I would expect them to act more as awareness,enlightening us the public on this migration and possibly how best it should be carried out. In the meantime their Boardrooms should have been busy with their specific stations game plan or a joint industry one.
Sadly it seems this is another case of the dominant player now playing catch up and using reputation tactics to try and stall a development that is already on course.
Aside from that, in making business sense I would expect that there is earning sharing formulaes between the TV stations and the "decorder owners" which may range from; air my TV Station content for free and reach as many people as possible then advertisers will pay as I have dominant reach or as a TV Station and content owner, then pay me so as to air my content through your decorder. So where is such business formulae not working thus resulting in the need to air the Adverts on breach of rights et al?
I tend to disagree. Aerial providers don't need to pay any license or get into any agreement to beam free content. I as a consumer should be able to buy a Free-To-Air digital setbox on my way from Dubai and fix it in my TV and I'm ready to go. If I am an investor, I should be able to buy 1000 pieces of the boxes from China and retail them in the local market with no worries whatsoever. I only need to get type approval form CA.
Moreover, to view all the TV Stations and even more there are other routes without the need for the said decorders - via the internet (even newspapers!). Which means that the more the internet reach grows, the more creative the Boardrooms require to be as this shakes up the traditional model of their business.
Great point on Internet TV, but it may take a while before this becomes a reality in Kenya. And freeing up of the airwaves may speed this because we are waiting to see what innovations will com through TV whitespaces.
In the meantime, I and many more continue to enjoy the TV stations that do not require use of decorders, as we await for the supplier who will give them for free (why invest in a gadget) thus they may reach out to advertisers and blow their trumpet on their mass reach!
Your days are numbered :). The 4 stations will close analog TV very soon.
I believe this is an opportunity for exciting times for their Boardroom teams, consumers are good at uptake - only if they can get into "new business model mode" and faster faster.
I would wish my Top-Box to be internet enabled. Zuku anyone? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
Warm Greetings Kivuva, As you say my days and others are numbers, we shall see who pays (not just the piper)...even to open a bank account once not so long ago we used to pay for it, now you are even nearly paid to open one. Refreshing ourselves, in fact the Government Agencies may be the ones being hit at but indirectly as during the initial days there was quite some tug of war on this. I wish there is an ISOCer who understands how this works they explain to us - watutoe kwa mataa! Anyone? Lifting this closer to the Internet discussions, this is where ISOC should be playing in. It is not only about TV but the immense potential for information, knowledge sharing across the masses. In the Book " Are You Smart Enough To Work At Google?" by William Poundstone (a good read for Techy-Careerists) there is a good clip which may enlighten what is happening. It says that " We live in an age of desperation. Never in living memory has the competition for job openings been more intense. Never have job interviews been tougher. This is the bitter fruit of the jobless recovery and the changing nature of work."I would replace the "jobs" with competition for customers - their knowledge, awareness and such. I would also sneak in "internet" and the excitement/variation it has the potential to bring in the way work is done. Have a blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Wednesday, 21 January 2015, 11:03, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Thanks Wangari, My comments inline. On 21 January 2015 at 09:55, WANGARI KABIRU <wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Happy Ladies Day! The main description of the actions by the players is - Laggards, which is very sad since it would have been expected that the big players would have been the industry trend setter on this global move. I take that their technocrats should understand it much better than the rest of us and even have been part of the global drivers leave alone even locally in Kenya.They seem to be playing catch-up when the industry has already moved on. I would expect them to act more as awareness,enlightening us the public on this migration and possibly how best it should be carried out. In the meantime their Boardrooms should have been busy with their specific stations game plan or a joint industry one. Sadly it seems this is another case of the dominant player now playing catch up and using reputation tactics to try and stall a development that is already on course. Aside from that, in making business sense I would expect that there is earning sharing formulaes between the TV stations and the "decorder owners" which may range from; air my TV Station content for free and reach as many people as possible then advertisers will pay as I have dominant reach or as a TV Station and content owner, then pay me so as to air my content through your decorder.So where is such business formulae not working thus resulting in the need to air the Adverts on breach of rights et al? I tend to disagree. Aerial providers don't need to pay any license or get into any agreement to beam free content. I as a consumer should be able to buy a Free-To-Air digital setbox on my way from Dubai and fix it in my TV and I'm ready to go. If I am an investor, I should be able to buy 1000 pieces of the boxes from China and retail them in the local market with no worries whatsoever. I only need to get type approval form CA. Moreover, to view all the TV Stations and even more there are other routes without the need for the said decorders - via the internet (even newspapers!). Which means that the more the internet reach grows, the more creative the Boardrooms require to be as this shakes up the traditional model of their business. Great point on Internet TV, but it may take a while before this becomes a reality in Kenya. And freeing up of the airwaves may speed this because we are waiting to see what innovations will com through TV whitespaces. In the meantime, I and many more continue to enjoy the TV stations that do not require use of decorders, as we await for the supplier who will give them for free (why invest in a gadget) thus they may reach out to advertisers and blow their trumpet on their mass reach! Your days are numbered :). The 4 stations will close analog TV very soon. I believe this is an opportunity for exciting times for their Boardroom teams, consumers are good at uptake - only if they can get into "new business model mode" and faster faster. I would wish my Top-Box to be internet enabled. Zuku anyone? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
I am completely indifferent in as far as Nation, KTN and Citizens' pain is concerned. Whoever gives me an Internet package in the service has got me...Safaricom...hint hint while everyone else sleeps through the revolution On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks Wangari,
My comments inline.
On 21 January 2015 at 09:55, WANGARI KABIRU <wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Happy Ladies Day!
The main description of the actions by the players is - Laggards, which is very sad since it would have been expected that the big players would have been the industry trend setter on this global move. I take that their technocrats should understand it much better than the rest of us and even have been part of the global drivers leave alone even locally in Kenya. They seem to be playing catch-up when the industry has already moved on.
I would expect them to act more as awareness,enlightening us the public on this migration and possibly how best it should be carried out. In the meantime their Boardrooms should have been busy with their specific stations game plan or a joint industry one.
Sadly it seems this is another case of the dominant player now playing catch up and using reputation tactics to try and stall a development that is already on course.
Aside from that, in making business sense I would expect that there is earning sharing formulaes between the TV stations and the "decorder owners" which may range from; air my TV Station content for free and reach as many people as possible then advertisers will pay as I have dominant reach or as a TV Station and content owner, then pay me so as to air my content through your decorder. So where is such business formulae not working thus resulting in the need to air the Adverts on breach of rights et al?
I tend to disagree. Aerial providers don't need to pay any license or get into any agreement to beam free content. I as a consumer should be able to buy a Free-To-Air digital setbox on my way from Dubai and fix it in my TV and I'm ready to go. If I am an investor, I should be able to buy 1000 pieces of the boxes from China and retail them in the local market with no worries whatsoever. I only need to get type approval form CA.
Moreover, to view all the TV Stations and even more there are other routes without the need for the said decorders - via the internet (even newspapers!). Which means that the more the internet reach grows, the more creative the Boardrooms require to be as this shakes up the traditional model of their business.
Great point on Internet TV, but it may take a while before this becomes a reality in Kenya. And freeing up of the airwaves may speed this because we are waiting to see what innovations will com through TV whitespaces.
In the meantime, I and many more continue to enjoy the TV stations that do not require use of decorders, as we await for the supplier who will give them for free (why invest in a gadget) thus they may reach out to advertisers and blow their trumpet on their mass reach!
Your days are numbered :). The 4 stations will close analog TV very soon.
I believe this is an opportunity for exciting times for their Boardroom teams, consumers are good at uptake - only if they can get into "new business model mode" and faster faster.
I would wish my Top-Box to be internet enabled. Zuku anyone?
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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Dear AllElimu TV is one of the channel that has been on the digital platform since 2015. The delay in migration has affected us so much because consumers in Kenya have not been sensitized on the benefits of digital platform and so they did on willingly migrate. The three main broadcasters concentrated on frustrating the migration process and did not air anything on the discussion. Majority of Kenyan have been made to believe that the chines company is being favored against our local media houses.In the meantime Elimu TV and others could not get advertisements because the advertisers work on numbers. We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes. It time that Government and its agencies start to support other Digital TV Channels with advertisements. We need an affirmative action to ensure that the upcoming channels survive.Signet should shelve the monthly charges until a level ground is established. Jane. On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:52 AM, Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Mwendwa That is exactly my point. We shouldn't disregard the fact that content costs. In the recent past we have seen local TV Stations come up with winning local programs. And local artists being awarded accordingly. We mustn't think that this comes out of thin air. Let Startimes and others enter into a commercial discussion with the media houses. I am sure they will come to an agreement. AliHussein Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 17:26, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: On the side of the four media houses I believe they have a right to have a commercial discussion with GOtv and the others since content drives advertising revenue I tend to believe GOtv, Startimes are "aerial" providers. If I am an advertiser, and I want my audience to be KBC viewers, I would put my advert on KBC and not GOtv. In the same breadth, the "aerial" providers should not be able to dictate a user's viewing experience. If I'm viewing KBC via Startimes, at no time should I see Startimes or ElimuTV or Citizen TV related advert without me the viewer switching stations. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes.
Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content. Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box? There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
Warm Greetings Jane, Thank you for the enlightenment. It begs why some of the industry leaders would not be at the forefront driving this agenda (unless it means it doesn't serve their shareholders interests) and my take is that this matter is what flips the industry in this generation.There has got to be a very good explanation to this, the dots do not seem to join. I view this as hospitals insisting their Doctors will only use scapel and "knife" for surgeries while newer non-invasive preventive care means or technologically driven gadgets are available. Jane, as Kivuva has requested could you enlighten us on how this whole thing works or should work. Other countries. Tafadhali as it seems the matter is too emotive for sombre non-biased input from players in the sector. Ahsante! Have a blessed day and weekend ahead! Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 23/1/15, Mwendwa Kivuva via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [isoc_ke] Fw: [kictanet] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace To: "Network of non- formal Educational institutions" <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> Cc: "ISOC Kenya Chapter" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, 23 January, 2015, 13:23 On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote: We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes. Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content. Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box? There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
@ Mwendwa, You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @ TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters | | | | | | | | | | | TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should...It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. | | | | View on www.nation.co.ke | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote: We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes. Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content. Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box? There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi All, The content rights issues needs to address with clear direction from the governing authority. There needs to be a clear outline of what can be done and what cannot be done. The charging by different Signal Carriers / Platform owners is imminent but there needs to be an outline how much can a platform charge the content / channel owner to broadcast their content. It is expensive and world over it is an accepted practice as there are costs of broadcasting and it is up to the channel owners what reach in viewers they want and how they plan to build a sustainable revenue model. Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju On 27 January 2015 at 11:00, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@ Mwendwa,
You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
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TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. View on www.nation.co.ke <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> Preview by Yahoo
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On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes.
Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content.
Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box?
There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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Listers, There is something that I don't really get in this "Copyright" claim by the media houses. If you have a free-air service (TV, Webpage), as an example, and where your business model is based on this free-air service reaching the most eyeballs as you possibly can (advertising) in a certain market, then why would you oppose someone who is helping you to reach even higher numbers of eyeballs in that exact same market? This is akin to Google suing an ISP in Kenya that is connecting more end user clients to its ISP Network, so that they can have access to Google Search, of violating Google's Copyright! Ridiculous! Or is there an underlying argument based on say when the copyright holders license NTV, as an example to license a Soap/Series, they base their licensing fees to NTV based on the No Of Viewers NTV claims it has. So if you 'magnify' this No by re-distributing the signal to even more viewers, NTV is supposed to increase its licensing fees to the actual copyright holders? I understand the argument on the number of channels that have been licensed to the PANG guys being excessive (60% or thereabouts) and this is the debate that we should be having. Rgds On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Baiju Shah via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi All,
The content rights issues needs to address with clear direction from the governing authority. There needs to be a clear outline of what can be done and what cannot be done. The charging by different Signal Carriers / Platform owners is imminent but there needs to be an outline how much can a platform charge the content / channel owner to broadcast their content. It is expensive and world over it is an accepted practice as there are costs of broadcasting and it is up to the channel owners what reach in viewers they want and how they plan to build a sustainable revenue model.
Thanks,
Best Regards,
Baiju
On 27 January 2015 at 11:00, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@ Mwendwa,
You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
[image: image] <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. View on www.nation.co.ke <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> Preview by Yahoo
------------------------------ *From:* Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes.
Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content.
Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box?
There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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Dear AllThe cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform. On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @ Mwendwa, You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @ TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters | | | | | | | | | | | TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should...It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. | | | | View on www.nation.co.ke | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote: We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes. Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content. Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box? There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnfeischools%40yahoo.c... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Its a very complicated chess game going on. 1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses. Regulatory Options:1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution?2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?) Impact1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-)2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impacta) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop.b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-) Way forward.Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage. From: Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace Dear AllThe cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform. On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @ Mwendwa, You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @ TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters | | | | | | | | | | | TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should...It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. | | | | View on www.nation.co.ke | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote: We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes. Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content. Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box? There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Walubengo am sorry to say that PANG and SIGNET brought the first point on themselves. Example. ..CAK awarded me the temporary authorization to broadcast...I built my broadcast station...then PANG and SIGNET gave me run around for several months forcing me to have to seek extensions from CAK and even forcing me to sign minimum 5 locations even though my strategy was different... and further making me to resolve to wait until when full migration happens so it's cheaper...my own analysis. If PANG and SIGNET were smart to enable the more than 100 licensees go live quick...the game would be slightly different. Now they r stuck with BSD license that ....well...let me not say. On 27 Jan 2015 18:29, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Its a very complicated chess game going on.
1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute 2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses.
Regulatory Options: 1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution? 2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?)
Impact 1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-) 2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impact a) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop. b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-)
Way forward. Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage.
------------------------------ *From:* Network of non- formal Educational institutions < nnfeischools@yahoo.com> *To:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
Dear All The cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform.
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@ Mwendwa,
You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
[image: image] <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. View on www.nation.co.ke <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> Preview by Yahoo
------------------------------ *From:* Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes.
Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content.
Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box?
There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
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See my view inline On 27 January 2015 at 18:25, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Its a very complicated chess game going on.
1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute 2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses.
Regulatory Options: 1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution?
2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network
(BSD License?)
I like to view this from a mobile phone perspective. Each user is allowed to buy whichever phone (s)he loves, and put whichever SIM card, Safaricom, Zain, Orange. CA should take a bold move forward and require standard digital boxes where users buy TV CARDS and load funds -- same ase SIM cards to insert on the setboxes to view either Supersport, GoTV, Startimes, BambaTV, ZUKu, e.t.c or whoever does not want to buy the card can view all Free To Air channels. Do I make any sense. Regards
Impact
1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-) 2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impact a) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop.
This will give PANG an avenue to innovate and offer competitive "carrier charges" to independent content providers. Let PANG work hard to earn their position. Remembers Standard and Nation has been on the scene since around year 1901. Signet (read KBC) have always rode on taxpayers funding and have nothing to prove. Taxpayers actually expect no surprise from them, but CA must ensure Signet has more reach across the country through USFs.
b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-)
There is a "must carry" principle whereby all FTA channels should be accessible from whichever network. I would love to see how CA enforces this.
Way forward. Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
Is Safaricom preparing to join the decoder business. What dynamics would this bring to the battle Jane On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:15 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: See my view inline On 27 January 2015 at 18:25, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Its a very complicated chess game going on. 1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses. Regulatory Options:1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution? 2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?) I like to view this from a mobile phone perspective. Each user is allowed to buy whichever phone (s)he loves, and put whichever SIM card, Safaricom, Zain, Orange. CA should take a bold move forward and require standard digital boxes where users buy TV CARDS and load funds -- same ase SIM cards to insert on the setboxes to view either Supersport, GoTV, Startimes, BambaTV, ZUKu, e.t.c or whoever does not want to buy the card can view all Free To Air channels. Do I make any sense. Regards Impact1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-)2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impacta) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop. This will give PANG an avenue to innovate and offer competitive "carrier charges" to independent content providers. Let PANG work hard to earn their position. Remembers Standard and Nation has been on the scene since around year 1901. Signet (read KBC) have always rode on taxpayers funding and have nothing to prove. Taxpayers actually expect no surprise from them, but CA must ensure Signet has more reach across the country through USFs. b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-) There is a "must carry" principle whereby all FTA channels should be accessible from whichever network. I would love to see how CA enforces this. Way forward.Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nnfeischools%40yahoo.c... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Walu How about forcing PANG to sell up to 80% of its shareholding to 5 local broadcasters? Foreigners MUST not solely control a company in Kenya with signal distribution rights. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Its a very complicated chess game going on.
1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute 2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses.
Regulatory Options: 1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution? 2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?)
Impact 1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-) 2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impact a) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop. b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-)
Way forward. Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage.
------------------------------ *From:* Network of non- formal Educational institutions < nnfeischools@yahoo.com> *To:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
Dear All The cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform.
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@ Mwendwa,
You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
[image: image] <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. View on www.nation.co.ke <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> Preview by Yahoo
------------------------------ *From:* Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes.
Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content.
Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box?
There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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How about PANG floating the shares at NSE. Broadcasting should not be the preserve of a few Kenyans.... On Wed Feb 11 2015 at 19:11:53 S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Walu
How about forcing PANG to sell up to 80% of its shareholding to 5 local broadcasters?
Foreigners MUST not solely control a company in Kenya with signal distribution rights.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Its a very complicated chess game going on.
1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute 2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses.
Regulatory Options: 1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution? 2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?)
Impact 1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-) 2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impact a) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop. b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-)
Way forward. Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage.
------------------------------ *From:* Network of non- formal Educational institutions < nnfeischools@yahoo.com> *To:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
Dear All The cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform.
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@ Mwendwa,
You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
[image: image] <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. View on www.nation.co.ke <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> Preview by Yahoo
------------------------------ *From:* Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace
On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes.
Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content.
Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box?
There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
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@Murigi ..that would be a hostile takeover of the PANG shares. However, I still dont understand how PANG can be 100% chinese owned given a previous policy that foreign telcos must have at leat 30% local ownership(has this changed?). However, given the full-blast pressure PANG has managed to withstand from the 3local broadcasters - chances are very high that indeed PANG does have its "local" owners in the "leafy suburbs" :-). Anyway, from a regulatory point of view, the ideal market was supposed to be such that the content providers (broadcasters) do not actually own the distribution infrastructure (digital network+spectrum). This is so that they can "hire" the distribution channel from the few infrastructure owners (PANG/SIGNET) and concentrate on production of content (which is a good thing). However, regulator failed to anticipate the resistance coming from the 3Broadcasters who own 80% of the market (TV eyeballs). These guys have refused to "hire" channels from the infrastructure owners - preferring to build their own infrastructure instead. So they are most likely not interested in partnering with PANG/SIGNET through shares. @Jane - can Safaricom or any (other Internet company) become a digital network distributor? They already are - from a converged point of view. You can watch NTV/KTN/Citizen online. Except that the data bundles will cost you more than an arm and a leg, forcing you to disconnect Can Safcom bid for the 3rd Signal Distribution Licences? They are ably represented here and so should speak for themselves. But my take is that it depends on how the supreme court rules in the fight between the 3Broadcasters and the Regulator (aka PANG/SIGNET). walu.nb: KBC(SIGNET) has since then gone back to analogue (without the 3Broadcasters, they are "bila" content as earlier predicated). From: S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace - Way Forward @Walu How about forcing PANG to sell up to 80% of its shareholding to 5 local broadcasters? Foreigners MUST not solely control a company in Kenya with signal distribution rights. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32 On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Its a very complicated chess game going on. 1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses. Regulatory Options:1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution?2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?) Impact1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-)2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impacta) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop.b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-) Way forward.Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage. From: Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace Dear AllThe cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform. On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @ Mwendwa, You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @ TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters | | | | | | | | | | | TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should...It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. | | | | View on www.nation.co.ke | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote: We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes. Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content. Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box? There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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More informed comments here.. http://www.digitaltvafrica.com On Feb 12, 2015 12:16 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Murigi
..that would be a hostile takeover of the PANG shares. However, I still dont understand how PANG can be 100% chinese owned given a previous policy that foreign telcos must have at leat 30% local ownership(has this changed?). However, given the full-blast pressure PANG has managed to withstand from the 3local broadcasters - chances are very high that indeed PANG does have its "local" owners in the "leafy suburbs" :-).
Anyway, from a regulatory point of view, the ideal market was supposed to be such that the content providers (broadcasters) do not actually own the distribution infrastructure (digital network+spectrum). This is so that they can "hire" the distribution channel from the few infrastructure owners (PANG/SIGNET) and concentrate on production of content (which is a good thing).
However, regulator failed to anticipate the resistance coming from the 3Broadcasters who own 80% of the market (TV eyeballs). These guys have refused to "hire" channels from the infrastructure owners - preferring to build their own infrastructure instead. So they are most likely not interested in partnering with PANG/SIGNET through shares.
@Jane - can Safaricom or any (other Internet company) become a digital network distributor? They already are - from a converged point of view. You can watch NTV/KTN/Citizen online. Except that the data bundles will cost you more than an arm and a leg, forcing you to disconnect
Can Safcom bid for the 3rd Signal Distribution Licences? They are ably represented here and so should speak for themselves. But my take is that it depends on how the supreme court rules in the fight between the 3Broadcasters and the Regulator (aka PANG/SIGNET).
walu. nb: KBC(SIGNET) has since then gone back to analogue (without the 3Broadcasters, they are "bila" content as earlier predicated).
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@Walu
How about forcing PANG to sell up to 80% of its shareholding to 5 local broadcasters?
Foreigners MUST not solely control a company in Kenya with signal distribution rights.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Its a very complicated chess game going on.
1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute 2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses.
Regulatory Options: 1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution? 2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?)
Impact 1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-) 2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impact a) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop. b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-)
Way forward. Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage.
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Dear All The cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform.
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@ Mwendwa,
You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @
TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html>
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TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. View on www.nation.co.ke <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2602512/-/10d292yz/-/index.html> Preview by Yahoo
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On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes.
Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content.
Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box?
There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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Warm Greetings, Thank you for the discussions. Yes we are enjoying the analogue broadcasts across the country! I need help understanding this business of local ownership which is being fronted. Who owns the said leading broadcasters? I am still so lost on how the known leading broadcasters could not be leaders in this digital agenda, they are normally ahead of their game - where was the game lost! Normally they would set the pace then the "Janes" trot in! The government keeps being presented as hostile. Why would the government be so hostile towards opening the space to more players if it is good for industry. I have had the opportunity to watch the debates on television and it is just back and forth. Hardly is there reference to the consumer who ultimately pays. How is money made in this business - the battle must be rotating around this! Have a blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Thursday, 12 February 2015, 17:02, S.M. Muraya via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: More informed comments here.. http://www.digitaltvafrica.comOn Feb 12, 2015 12:16 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Murigi ..that would be a hostile takeover of the PANG shares. However, I still dont understand how PANG can be 100% chinese owned given a previous policy that foreign telcos must have at leat 30% local ownership(has this changed?). However, given the full-blast pressure PANG has managed to withstand from the 3local broadcasters - chances are very high that indeed PANG does have its "local" owners in the "leafy suburbs" :-). Anyway, from a regulatory point of view, the ideal market was supposed to be such that the content providers (broadcasters) do not actually own the distribution infrastructure (digital network+spectrum). This is so that they can "hire" the distribution channel from the few infrastructure owners (PANG/SIGNET) and concentrate on production of content (which is a good thing). However, regulator failed to anticipate the resistance coming from the 3Broadcasters who own 80% of the market (TV eyeballs). These guys have refused to "hire" channels from the infrastructure owners - preferring to build their own infrastructure instead. So they are most likely not interested in partnering with PANG/SIGNET through shares. @Jane - can Safaricom or any (other Internet company) become a digital network distributor? They already are - from a converged point of view. You can watch NTV/KTN/Citizen online. Except that the data bundles will cost you more than an arm and a leg, forcing you to disconnect Can Safcom bid for the 3rd Signal Distribution Licences? They are ably represented here and so should speak for themselves. But my take is that it depends on how the supreme court rules in the fight between the 3Broadcasters and the Regulator (aka PANG/SIGNET). walu.nb: KBC(SIGNET) has since then gone back to analogue (without the 3Broadcasters, they are "bila" content as earlier predicated). From: S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace - Way Forward @Walu How about forcing PANG to sell up to 80% of its shareholding to 5 local broadcasters? Foreigners MUST not solely control a company in Kenya with signal distribution rights. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32 On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Its a very complicated chess game going on. 1. SIGNET+PANG are the designated national digital distributors - but bila (without) content to distribute2. The 3private Broadcasters have content - but bila (without) distribution rights or licenses. Regulatory Options:1. Do you FORCE the 3 to surrender their content to SIGNET+PANG for distribution?2. Do you give the 3private Broadcasters their own distribution network (BSD License?) Impact1. Option 1 can be and will be frustrated (cry copyright, cry media freedom, cry all over to Supreme court + now Paris :-)2. Option 2 seems attractive and doable - HOWEVER, giving the 3private their own license has the following impacta) It leaves SIGNET+PANG high and dry with close "nothing" to distribute. Technically the close shop.b) It leaves the 3broadcasters enjoying and sometimes exploiting their dominant position (think Safcom :-) Way forward.Seek solutions together since a local solution must be existing. Thorax and chest thumping by both government and broadcasters will not work and will simply leave Kenya's digital migration process critically damaged and perhaps beyond salvage. From: Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace Dear AllThe cost charged by Signet is affordable on an open opportunity platform. The delay in migration gives the old boys an advantage since advertises are still not convinced off the viewership on the digital platform. On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @ Mwendwa, You are right it should be exceedingly cheap for Jane to transmit on the digital platform. Otherwise the whole essence of going digital is lost. Here's my other take on the issue @ TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters - Walubengo - nation.co.ke TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should broadcasters | | | | | | | | | | | TV consumers should not be locked in, but neither should...It is not too far-fetched to imagine SIGNET and PANG would block content deemed 'uncomfortable'. | | | | View on www.nation.co.ke | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [isoc_ke] The battle for control of Kenyan Digital airspace On 23 January 2015 at 12:02, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote: We have also been paying Signet and Startimes monthly fees for carrying us and relaying our content to available free to air set boxes. Jane, thank you for this. I need to understand something, do a digital content provider like ElimuTV need to pay all digital signal providers for them to be accessible by all set-top boxes? My understanding is if I buy any box (say Samsutech set-top box), I will be able to watch all non-subscription based TV stations. As per your email, it seems a content provider has to pay all licensed digital carriers. This is is a very expensive way of distributing content. Let me understand, if you only paid Signet to carry your content, I would not be able to access it via Startimes set-top box? There is something fundamentally wrong with how we have structured policy around the digital migration and we need to clearly define a set of principles that must be adhered to by all players. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Martin Gicheru -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Network of non- formal Educational institutions -
Ngigi Waithaka -
S.M. Muraya -
Walubengo J -
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