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Listers, Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee. Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
Barrack, et al, While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out. On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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I agree with your point Solomon, i know Information and Communication covers library sciences and the nominee may fit the bill, whilst we don't want to influence the presidents decision its important for the nominee to inspire the community and rally us to greater heights in ICT, i wonder what the community feels, i am sure the head of state consulted widely, any people from the community who may have been consulted and can give us the pros of the nominee? On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
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Oops... I missed the ''N'... I meant to say neither Ndemo nor Kagwe were ICT experts but they had intellectual capacity....... Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 24, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
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Noted Gilda, I agree with your point, as a community that will directly work with the nominee, we have been afforded an opportunity to comment since we have been told he is the best of the best, nonetheless i agree that there are more considerations other than subject expertise for such positions. Its sad that in the community, we did not have candidates who measured up, time to pull up our socks. Best Regards On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
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@Barrack..correction...the community has many who measure up, just that they were not in the list:) Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Noted Gilda,
I agree with your point, as a community that will directly work with the nominee, we have been afforded an opportunity to comment since we have been told he is the best of the best, nonetheless i agree that there are more considerations other than subject expertise for such positions. Its sad that in the community, we did not have candidates who measured up, time to pull up our socks.
Best Regards
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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None the less, it is good we have been afforded a chance to comment unlike previously when we go it on radio, we give credit where it is due, we will await the verdict of the parliamentary committee . Good to also note how his excellencies are using Social Media to relay information to the public , this is a welcome move, i hope we have a forum soon where the ICT community will also meet his excellencies to share our thoughts for the Sector. Best Regards On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack..correction...the community has many who measure up, just that they were not in the list:)
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Noted Gilda,
I agree with your point, as a community that will directly work with the nominee, we have been afforded an opportunity to comment since we have been told he is the best of the best, nonetheless i agree that there are more considerations other than subject expertise for such positions. Its sad that in the community, we did not have candidates who measured up, time to pull up our socks.
Best Regards
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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The good thing is that we now have a constitutional framework that supports moving all sectors forward. Change may turn out to be good after all! 2013/4/24 Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Noted Gilda,
I agree with your point, as a community that will directly work with the nominee, we have been afforded an opportunity to comment since we have been told he is the best of the best, nonetheless i agree that there are more considerations other than subject expertise for such positions. Its sad that in the community, we did not have candidates who measured up, time to pull up our socks.
Best Regards
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
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Dear All I was looking forward to Dr Bitange Demo appointment for the Ministry of Information and communication.We need to lobby for his appointment to the cabinet even in any other Ministry (How about Defense). His performance was excellent. As a Country we should promote performers and those who are passionate to moving forward this great nation. Bitange is an outstanding servant Jane ________________________________ From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@orion.my.co.ke>; Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... The good thing is that we now have a constitutional framework that supports moving all sectors forward. Change may turn out to be good after all! 2013/4/24 Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Noted Gilda,
I agree with your point, as a community that will directly work with the nominee, we have been afforded an opportunity to comment since we have been told he is the best of the best, nonetheless i agree that there are more considerations other than subject expertise for such positions. Its sad that in the community, we did not have candidates who measured up, time to pull up our socks.
Best Regards
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
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I personally think that having an ICT expert heading the ministry would have a great milestone. Firstly, such a person would understand deeply what he is talking about and not just read speeches. Secondly, such a minister would be hands on and on top of everything happening. My position is: I do not agree with the nominee....However, we should find ways of working with him so that our issues as a society are well articulated and Kenya becomes a model nation in ICT uptake. Regards, R.O On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Network of non- formal Educational institutions <nnfeischools@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All I was looking forward to Dr Bitange Demo appointment for the Ministry of Information and communication.We need to lobby for his appointment to the cabinet even in any other Ministry (How about Defense). His performance was excellent. As a Country we should promote performers and those who are passionate to moving forward this great nation. Bitange is an outstanding servant Jane
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The good thing is that we now have a constitutional framework that supports moving all sectors forward. Change may turn out to be good after all!
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Noted Gilda,
I agree with your point, as a community that will directly work with the nominee, we have been afforded an opportunity to comment since we have been told he is the best of the best, nonetheless i agree that there are more considerations other than subject expertise for such positions. Its sad that in the community, we did not have candidates who measured up, time to pull up our socks.
Best Regards
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
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... Of course it greatly helps if one already has some understanding of the sector but I would like to give benefit of doubt here and hope the ICT Secretary will embark on working closely with the experts and running with it. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 24, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
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@Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in MIS (management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. Regards Pamela From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: Barrack, et al, While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out. On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers, Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee. Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 <tel:%2B254721325277> +254-20-2498789 <tel:%2B254-20-2498789> Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose? As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list. I wish him well. Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pamela Sent: April 24, 2013 12:46 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@orion.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... @Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in MIS (management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. Regards Pamela From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke]<mailto:[mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke]> On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com<mailto:pamela@cardiacimplants.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@orion.my.co.ke<mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote: Barrack, et al, While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out. On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: Listers, Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee. Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277<tel:%2B254721325277> +254-20-2498789<tel:%2B254-20-2498789> Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@orion.my.co.ke<mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke> http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him. I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals. lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?****
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As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.****
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I wish him well.****
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Edith****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Pamela *Sent:* April 24, 2013 12:46 PM *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
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@Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in* MIS*(management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. ****
Regards****
Pamela****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] * On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM *To:* pamela@cardiacimplants.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
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@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,****
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Gilda Odera****
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:****
Barrack, et al,****
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.****
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On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:** **
Listers,****
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: ****
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. ****
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.****
Best Regards****
-- Barrack O. Otieno****
+254721325277****
+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno****
http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ ****
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These are interesting times....... Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?
As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.
I wish him well.
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pamela Sent: April 24, 2013 12:46 PM To: Edith Adera
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
@Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in MIS (management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota.
Regards
Pamela
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno
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Nice piece by Walu in the Nation http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/MPs-oppose-vetting-of-an-incomplete-Ca... Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
These are interesting times.......
Regards,
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On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?****
** **
As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.****
** **
I wish him well.****
** **
Edith****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Pamela *Sent:* April 24, 2013 12:46 PM *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
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@Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in* MIS*(management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. ****
Regards****
Pamela****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] * On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM *To:* pamela@cardiacimplants.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
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@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,****
** **
Gilda Odera****
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:****
Barrack, et al,****
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.****
** **
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:* ***
Listers,****
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: ****
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. ****
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.****
Best Regards****
-- Barrack O. Otieno****
+254721325277****
+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno****
http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ ****
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I totally agree with Mark that we don't have to 'insiders' to succeed. You don't have to have a doctor as the head of department. A few examples may illustrate this. Look at Kenyatta National Hospital. The current Director has done fairly well compared to previous directors who were medics. In the UK, for example, you don't have to studied education to be the head of a school (headmaster, headmistress, principal etc.). You don't have to be a lawyer to a magistrate. Even though we must contextualise, I think interest, passion, ability and willingness to learn and adapt etc. should help one excel in whichever department. Of course expert knowledge of the industry and expertise help but these are not the only things you need to succeed. Besides, in any government department, there are technocrats who possess the expertise and do most of the work, and these should provide the requisite advice and guidance. Just a few thoughts … George _______________________________ Dr George Nyabuga Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 67 58 | w: www.afrinic.net | tt: @afrinic facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia _______________________________ Join us at AFRINIC-18 (Africa Internet Summit) Lusaka, Zambia 9 – 21 June 2013 - http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-18 On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?
As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.
I wish him well.
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pamela Sent: April 24, 2013 12:46 PM To: Edith Adera
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
@Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in MIS (management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota.
Regards
Pamela
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
@Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.
On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno
+254721325277
+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
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Dear all, The Cabinate secretaries topic is of real essence and need sobriety on discussion. First and foremost Our current PS Ndemo was a physic lecturer FYI in Nairobi university. May be Grace Bomu can tell us what the constitution says on the choosing a cabinate secretary and professionalism going with it. We in ICT fratarnity need a technocrat ICT expert with passion in the field to boost the out come of vision 2030 beyond the minimum expectations. FYI even technology will not move without technical experts and don't forget the innovation dept. on it so lets demand what is good for this great nation kenya. Thanks P.O.Box 16753-00100 Tel:+254-020-313939/38 Cell:+254-722-756211 E-mail:dottocomp@yahoo.com Skype:dottocomp Facebook:dottocomp Nairobi,Kenya ________________________________ From: George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> Cc: isoc@lists.my.co.ke Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? I totally agree with Mark that we don't have to 'insiders' to succeed. You don't have to have a doctor as the head of department. A few examples may illustrate this. Look at Kenyatta National Hospital. The current Director has done fairly well compared to previous directors who were medics. In the UK, for example, you don't have to studied education to be the head of a school (headmaster, headmistress, principal etc.). You don't have to be a lawyer to a magistrate. Even though we must contextualise, I think interest, passion, ability and willingness to learn and adapt etc. should help one excel in whichever department. Of course expert knowledge of the industry and expertise help but these are not the only things you need to succeed. Besides, in any government department, there are technocrats who possess the expertise and do most of the work, and these should provide the requisite advice and guidance. Just a few thoughts … George _______________________________ Dr George Nyabuga Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 67 58 | w: www.afrinic.net | tt: @afrinic facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia _______________________________ Join us at AFRINIC-18 (Africa Internet Summit) Lusaka, Zambia 9 – 21 June 2013 - http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-18 On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?
As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list. I wish him well. Edith From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pamela Sent: April 24, 2013 12:46 PM To: Edith Adera
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
@Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is inMIS (management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. Regards Pamela From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@orion.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards, Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: Barrack, et al,
While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out. On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers, Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee. Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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I think we are jumping the gun, in the fields he has been in he has performed (based on his CV) lets give this guy a chance in 2 - 3 yrs time we can review his progress. the stake holders have a bigger role to play in advising, critiquing as well as keeping him on toes. it is we the stakeholders who will champion this. my gut feeling is the principal secretary in ICT will still remain to be Mr Ndemo. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Daniel Otieno Omondi <dottocomp@yahoo.com>wrote:
Dear all, The Cabinate secretaries topic is of real essence and need sobriety on discussion. First and foremost Our current PS Ndemo was a physic lecturer FYI in Nairobi university. May be Grace Bomu can tell us what the constitution says on the choosing a cabinate secretary and professionalism going with it. We in ICT fratarnity need a technocrat ICT expert with passion in the field to boost the out come of vision 2030 beyond the minimum expectations. FYI even technology will not move without technical experts and don't forget the innovation dept. on it so lets demand what is good for this great nation kenya.
Thanks
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------------------------------ *From:* George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> *Cc:* isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move?
I totally agree with Mark that we don't have to 'insiders' to succeed. You don't have to have a doctor as the head of department. A few examples may illustrate this. Look at Kenyatta National Hospital. The current Director has done fairly well compared to previous directors who were medics. In the UK, for example, you don't have to studied education to be the head of a school (headmaster, headmistress, principal etc.). You don't have to be a lawyer to a magistrate. Even though we must contextualise, I think interest, passion, ability and willingness to learn and adapt etc. should help one excel in whichever department. Of course expert knowledge of the industry and expertise help but these are not the only things you need to succeed. Besides, in any government department, there are technocrats who possess the expertise and do most of the work, and these should provide the requisite advice and guidance.
Just a few thoughts …
George
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On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?**** ** ** As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.**** ** ** I wish him well.**** ** ** Edith**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Pamela *Sent:* April 24, 2013 12:46 PM *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
** ** @Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in* MIS*(management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. **** Regards**** Pamela**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] * On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM *To:* pamela@cardiacimplants.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... **** ** ** @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,**** ** ** Gilda Odera****
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:****
Barrack, et al,**** While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.**** ** ** On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:** ** Listers,**** Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: **** 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. **** 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.**** Best Regards**** -- Barrack O. Otieno**** +254721325277**** +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno**** http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ ****
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Daniel, friends, We should always endeavour to read the law individually (and collectively), upon realising that *ignorantia juris non excusat* With a friendly caution that it should never lead professionally unqualified to play lawyer, nor similarly on other disciplines. Kind regards, Alex On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Daniel Otieno Omondi <dottocomp@yahoo.com>wrote:
Dear all, The Cabinate secretaries topic is of real essence and need sobriety on discussion. First and foremost Our current PS Ndemo was a physic lecturer FYI in Nairobi university. May be Grace Bomu can tell us what the constitution says on the choosing a cabinate secretary and professionalism going with it. We in ICT fratarnity need a technocrat ICT expert with passion in the field to boost the out come of vision 2030 beyond the minimum expectations. FYI even technology will not move without technical experts and don't forget the innovation dept. on it so lets demand what is good for this great nation kenya.
Thanks
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------------------------------ *From:* George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> *Cc:* isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move?
I totally agree with Mark that we don't have to 'insiders' to succeed. You don't have to have a doctor as the head of department. A few examples may illustrate this. Look at Kenyatta National Hospital. The current Director has done fairly well compared to previous directors who were medics. In the UK, for example, you don't have to studied education to be the head of a school (headmaster, headmistress, principal etc.). You don't have to be a lawyer to a magistrate. Even though we must contextualise, I think interest, passion, ability and willingness to learn and adapt etc. should help one excel in whichever department. Of course expert knowledge of the industry and expertise help but these are not the only things you need to succeed. Besides, in any government department, there are technocrats who possess the expertise and do most of the work, and these should provide the requisite advice and guidance.
Just a few thoughts …
George
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On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?**** ** ** As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.**** ** ** I wish him well.**** ** ** Edith**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Pamela *Sent:* April 24, 2013 12:46 PM *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
** ** @Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in* MIS*(management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. **** Regards**** Pamela**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] * On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM *To:* pamela@cardiacimplants.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... **** ** ** @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,**** ** ** Gilda Odera****
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:****
Barrack, et al,**** While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.**** ** ** On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:** ** Listers,**** Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: **** 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. **** 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.**** Best Regards**** -- Barrack O. Otieno**** +254721325277**** +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno**** http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ ****
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Daniel, friends, We should always endeavour to read the law individually (and collectively), upon realising that *ignorantia juris non excusat* With a friendly caution that it should never lead professionally unqualified to play lawyer, nor similarly on other disciplines. Kind regards, Alex On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Daniel Otieno Omondi <dottocomp@yahoo.com>wrote:
Dear all, The Cabinate secretaries topic is of real essence and need sobriety on discussion. First and foremost Our current PS Ndemo was a physic lecturer FYI in Nairobi university. May be Grace Bomu can tell us what the constitution says on the choosing a cabinate secretary and professionalism going with it. We in ICT fratarnity need a technocrat ICT expert with passion in the field to boost the out come of vision 2030 beyond the minimum expectations. FYI even technology will not move without technical experts and don't forget the innovation dept. on it so lets demand what is good for this great nation kenya.
Thanks
P.O.Box 16753-00100 Tel:+254-020-313939/38 Cell:+254-722-756211 E-mail:dottocomp@yahoo.com Skype:dottocomp Facebook:dottocomp Nairobi,Kenya
------------------------------ *From:* George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> *Cc:* isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move?
I totally agree with Mark that we don't have to 'insiders' to succeed. You don't have to have a doctor as the head of department. A few examples may illustrate this. Look at Kenyatta National Hospital. The current Director has done fairly well compared to previous directors who were medics. In the UK, for example, you don't have to studied education to be the head of a school (headmaster, headmistress, principal etc.). You don't have to be a lawyer to a magistrate. Even though we must contextualise, I think interest, passion, ability and willingness to learn and adapt etc. should help one excel in whichever department. Of course expert knowledge of the industry and expertise help but these are not the only things you need to succeed. Besides, in any government department, there are technocrats who possess the expertise and do most of the work, and these should provide the requisite advice and guidance.
Just a few thoughts …
George
_______________________________ Dr George Nyabuga Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 67 58 | w: www.afrinic.net | tt: @afrinic facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia _______________________________ Join us at AFRINIC-18 (Africa Internet Summit) Lusaka, Zambia 9 – 21 June 2013 - http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-18
On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?**** ** ** As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.**** ** ** I wish him well.**** ** ** Edith**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Pamela *Sent:* April 24, 2013 12:46 PM *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
** ** @Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in* MIS*(management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. **** Regards**** Pamela**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] * On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM *To:* pamela@cardiacimplants.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... **** ** ** @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,**** ** ** Gilda Odera****
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:****
Barrack, et al,**** While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.**** ** ** On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:** ** Listers,**** Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: **** 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. **** 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.**** Best Regards**** -- Barrack O. Otieno**** +254721325277**** +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno**** http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ ****
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May I ask, what is Dr. Ndemo's position post election? j -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
Hello Joly, How is New York? Nobody knows that yet except that he is among the shortlisted Principal Secretaries<http://www.publicservice.go.ke/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=157&view=finish&cid=280&catid=19>[57. Bitange Ndemo, PhD., CBS] -- scheduled to be interviewed at 3.30 p.m. on Thursday, 2nd May, 2013. Kenya is a refreshingly new Republic! :-) Alex On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
May I ask, what is Dr. Ndemo's position post election?
j
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ICT Ministry aside. I am just so so inspired by Raychelle Omamo! nominee for defence. the sky is the limit! 2013/4/25 Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>
Hello Joly,
How is New York?
Nobody knows that yet except that he is among the shortlisted Principal Secretaries<http://www.publicservice.go.ke/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=157&view=finish&cid=280&catid=19>[57. Bitange Ndemo, PhD., CBS] -- scheduled to be interviewed at 3.30 p.m. on Thursday, 2nd May, 2013. Kenya is a refreshingly new Republic! :-)
Alex
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May I ask, what is Dr. Ndemo's position post election?
j
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Hold up!! ...just hang on and repeat this after she unleashes 'The National Cyber Defense Arsenal' against 'petulant cyber terrorists' /joke... On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com>wrote:
ICT Ministry aside. I am just so so inspired by Raychelle Omamo! nominee for defence. the sky is the limit!
2013/4/25 Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>
Hello Joly,
How is New York?
Nobody knows that yet except that he is among the shortlisted Principal Secretaries<http://www.publicservice.go.ke/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=157&view=finish&cid=280&catid=19>[57. Bitange Ndemo, PhD., CBS] -- scheduled to be interviewed at 3.30 p.m. on Thursday, 2nd May, 2013. Kenya is a refreshingly new Republic! :-)
Alex
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
May I ask, what is Dr. Ndemo's position post election?
j
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Bomu, I think lawyers are taking over and squeezing "us" out of work. :-) -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
but we are also too many...and many more in the pipeline.....but ni kweli hii katiba imetusaidia kikazi kweli kweli! 2013/4/25 Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
Bomu, I think lawyers are taking over and squeezing "us" out of work. :-)
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Inviting you to our Swahili Skype Class every Sunday at 11 am. Classes on other subjects starting soon Jane ________________________________ From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> To: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? Hold up!! ...just hang on and repeat this after she unleashes 'The National Cyber Defense Arsenal' against 'petulant cyber terrorists' /joke... On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote: ICT Ministry aside. I am just so so inspired by Raychelle Omamo! nominee for defence. the sky is the limit!
2013/4/25 Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>
Hello Joly,
How is New York?
Nobody knows that yet except that he is among the shortlisted Principal Secretaries [57. Bitange Ndemo, PhD., CBS] -- scheduled to be interviewed at 3.30 p.m. on Thursday, 2nd May, 2013. Kenya is a refreshingly new Republic! :-)
Alex
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
May I ask, what is Dr. Ndemo's position post election?
j
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2013/4/25 Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>
Hello Joly,
How is New York?
Nobody knows that yet except that he is among the shortlisted Principal Secretaries [57. Bitange Ndemo, PhD., CBS] -- scheduled to be interviewed at 3.30 p.m. on Thursday, 2nd May, 2013. Kenya is a refreshingly new Republic! :-)
Alex
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
May I ask, what is Dr. Ndemo's position post election?
j
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The Constitution does not specify on the professional background of cabinet secretaries. It is only clear that cabinet secretaries should not be Members of Parliament (Article 152 (3). And of course as state officers they have to conform to the requirements of Chapter Six (Leadership and Integrity) It would therefore be required to show that the nominee is so ill suited for the particular cabinet portfolio or does not meet the leadership and integrity bar for one not to get the Parliamentary approval. (my view) The other issue that could arise with the proposed Cabinet is if it did not meet regional balance/diversity (Article 130(2). and for this reason Parliament is awaiting the full list before they can start vetting. Perhaps beyond the individuals nominated, we would also be looking at the priorities for the ICT function. I liked Walu's article that identifies the duplication of institutions as an issue. http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/What-awaits-the-new-ICT-Cabinet-Secreta... Other priorities will probably be the solar laptops/digital education, Kenya's ICT policy, ICT and counties among others. Infact, if we look at the Jubilee Manifesto, there are some aspects of ICT. Other than the laptops, talent development will also have aspects of ICT because these musicians,artistes etc will be contributing to local content. In implementing devolution, there is also a lot of ICT - ICTs aiding access to information and public participation on the one hand and ICTs aiding management of (financial and other) information as well as accountability, reporting and monitoring on the other hand. That said and on a lighter note, it is my humble submission that if a lawyer had been nominated to lead the Ministry (or any Ministry for that matter) it would have been easy to explain...we need to align our ministries to the new Constitutional dispensation :) ----- Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu) Kenya Skype: gracebomu Twitter: @Bomu Website: http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu 2013/4/25 Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>
Daniel, friends,
We should always endeavour to read the law individually (and collectively), upon realising that *ignorantia juris non excusat*
With a friendly caution that it should never lead professionally unqualified to play lawyer, nor similarly on other disciplines.
Kind regards,
Alex
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Daniel Otieno Omondi < dottocomp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all, The Cabinate secretaries topic is of real essence and need sobriety on discussion. First and foremost Our current PS Ndemo was a physic lecturer FYI in Nairobi university. May be Grace Bomu can tell us what the constitution says on the choosing a cabinate secretary and professionalism going with it. We in ICT fratarnity need a technocrat ICT expert with passion in the field to boost the out come of vision 2030 beyond the minimum expectations. FYI even technology will not move without technical experts and don't forget the innovation dept. on it so lets demand what is good for this great nation kenya.
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I totally agree with Mark that we don't have to 'insiders' to succeed. You don't have to have a doctor as the head of department. A few examples may illustrate this. Look at Kenyatta National Hospital. The current Director has done fairly well compared to previous directors who were medics. In the UK, for example, you don't have to studied education to be the head of a school (headmaster, headmistress, principal etc.). You don't have to be a lawyer to a magistrate. Even though we must contextualise, I think interest, passion, ability and willingness to learn and adapt etc. should help one excel in whichever department. Of course expert knowledge of the industry and expertise help but these are not the only things you need to succeed. Besides, in any government department, there are technocrats who possess the expertise and do most of the work, and these should provide the requisite advice and guidance.
Just a few thoughts …
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On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him.
I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals.
lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose?**** ** ** As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list.**** ** ** I wish him well.**** ** ** Edith**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Pamela *Sent:* April 24, 2013 12:46 PM *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... ****
** ** @Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in* MIS*(management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. **** Regards**** Pamela**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] * On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM *To:* pamela@cardiacimplants.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... **** ** ** @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert.
Regards,**** ** ** Gilda Odera****
On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:****
Barrack, et al,**** While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out.**** ** ** On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:* *** Listers,**** Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: **** 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. **** 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.**** Best Regards**** -- Barrack O. Otieno**** +254721325277**** +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno**** http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ ****
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Happy Thursday! The discussion here borders on whether CEOs being Leaders vs Managers. My Welcome to the New Team of Secretaries! Have a pleasant day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". --- On Thu, 25/4/13, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote: From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? To: "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, 25 April, 2013, 11:10 The Constitution does not specify on the professional background of cabinet secretaries. It is only clear that cabinet secretaries should not be Members of Parliament (Article 152 (3). And of course as state officers they have to conform to the requirements of Chapter Six (Leadership and Integrity) It would therefore be required to show that the nominee is so ill suited for the particular cabinet portfolio or does not meet the leadership and integrity bar for one not to get the Parliamentary approval. (my view) The other issue that could arise with the proposed Cabinet is if it did not meet regional balance/diversity (Article 130(2). and for this reason Parliament is awaiting the full list before they can start vetting. Perhaps beyond the individuals nominated, we would also be looking at the priorities for the ICT function. I liked Walu's article that identifies the duplication of institutions as an issue. http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/What-awaits-the-new-ICT-Cabinet-Secreta... Other priorities will probably be the solar laptops/digital education, Kenya's ICT policy, ICT and counties among others. Infact, if we look at the Jubilee Manifesto, there are some aspects of ICT. Other than the laptops, talent development will also have aspects of ICT because these musicians,artistes etc will be contributing to local content. In implementing devolution, there is also a lot of ICT - ICTs aiding access to information and public participation on the one hand and ICTs aiding management of (financial and other) information as well as accountability, reporting and monitoring on the other hand. That said and on a lighter note, it is my humble submission that if a lawyer had been nominated to lead the Ministry (or any Ministry for that matter) it would have been easy to explain...we need to align our ministries to the new Constitutional dispensation :) -----Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu) Kenya Skype: gracebomu Twitter: @Bomu Website: http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu 2013/4/25 Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> Daniel, friends, We should always endeavour to read the law individually (and collectively), upon realising that ignorantia juris non excusat With a friendly caution that it should never lead professionally unqualified to play lawyer, nor similarly on other disciplines. Kind regards, Alex On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Daniel Otieno Omondi <dottocomp@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear all, The Cabinate secretaries topic is of real essence and need sobriety on discussion. First and foremost Our current PS Ndemo was a physic lecturer FYI in Nairobi university. May be Grace Bomu can tell us what the constitution says on the choosing a cabinate secretary and professionalism going with it. We in ICT fratarnity need a technocrat ICT expert with passion in the field to boost the out come of vision 2030 beyond the minimum expectations. FYI even technology will not move without technical experts and don't forget the innovation dept. on it so lets demand what is good for this great nation kenya. Thanks P.O.Box 16753-00100Tel:+254-020-313939/38Cell:+254-722-756211E-mail:dottocomp@yahoo.com Skype:dottocompFacebook:dottocompNairobi,Kenya From: George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> Cc: isoc@lists.my.co.ke Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] [kictanet] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? I totally agree with Mark that we don't have to 'insiders' to succeed. You don't have to have a doctor as the head of department. A few examples may illustrate this. Look at Kenyatta National Hospital. The current Director has done fairly well compared to previous directors who were medics. In the UK, for example, you don't have to studied education to be the head of a school (headmaster, headmistress, principal etc.). You don't have to be a lawyer to a magistrate. Even though we must contextualise, I think interest, passion, ability and willingness to learn and adapt etc. should help one excel in whichever department. Of course expert knowledge of the industry and expertise help but these are not the only things you need to succeed. Besides, in any government department, there are technocrats who possess the expertise and do most of the work, and these should provide the requisite advice and guidance. Just a few thoughts … George _______________________________ Dr George Nyabuga Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 67 58 | w: www.afrinic.net | tt: @afrinic facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia _______________________________ Join us at AFRINIC-18 (Africa Internet Summit) Lusaka, Zambia 9 – 21 June 2013 - http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-18 On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I am not for the idea of closing up industries to purely insiders. The lethargy and infighting and loss of focus can only be detrimental. For instance the holder of the highest office of the land is the commandeer in chief of the armed forces. I have not heard or seen him serve for the military before yet he is expected to lead us into battle. Ofcourse he will need able and competent bureacrats within the rank and file to advise him. I expect the same goes for the cabinet secretaries. Being a trained doctor does not necessarily mean you are best placed to lead a ministry. Let us not forget that Cabinet secretaries are negotiators and implementors o broader overarching goals. lawyers have however managed to clam their profession shut to outsiders. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Bwana Ndemo is also an industrial economist – he may be chosen as PS for another Ministry – entrepreneurship?, industrialization? etc. Bwana Ndemo is on the PS list in Nation today, ready for Interview as PS – he can tell us his choice – as I guess you have to indicate your choice. Or is it a pool, from where they will chose? As for the New Cabinet Secretary, I don’t envy him as the ICT industry stakeholders are known not to keep quiet….so he has a tough job ahead. He will need a strong PS and great technical people below him to deliver in this dynamic industry where the stakeholders will speak loudly, if unhappy – esp. via KICTANET list. I wish him well. Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pamela Sent: April 24, 2013 12:46 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... @Gilda, not entirely accurate, Dr. Ndemo’s Masters degree is in MIS (management information systems) from the University of St.Thomas, Minnesota. RegardsPamela From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:33 AM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move? http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... @Barrack I think you go it wrong. If my knowledge serves me well, neither a demo nor Kagwe were ICT experts when appointed as PS. But they had the intellectual capacity and drive to run with it. They consulted widely and went out of their way to hear and learn. That is what is required, not necessarily an ICT expert. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: Barrack, et al, While there is a legit cause for aligning the ministries to the people who are running them, it is important that we don't think inside the box - that is the ICT Secretary should be a ICT expert. It can be anybody who the constitution so points out. On 23 April 2013 19:41, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers, Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind: 1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees. 2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee. Best Regards -- Barrack O. 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Umm, What exactly did Poghisio inspire/champion? I might have missed it, please enlighten me.... On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Barrack Otieno wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
Ditto (analogue:-) ) +1 Best Alice
Umm,
What exactly did Poghisio inspire/champion? I might have missed it, please enlighten me....
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Barrack Otieno wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Well, I stand to be corrected but the fact that he was more of a communications professional and did not micromanage the industry counts , he had the requisite leadership touch that has partly facilitated the growth of the industry though that is water under the bridge now , its strange that we keep talking about Rwanda and other countries where our very own professionals have played key roles in establishment of the sectors yet they don't feature anywhere unless the ones we have may be wanting in certain areas (:-() that could not afford them the opportunities. There is a difference between the paper (Letter) and the spirit. The Spirit inspires, the letter does not, time will tell. Best Regards On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Ditto (analogue :-) )
+1
Best Alice
Umm,
What exactly did Poghisio inspire/champion? I might have missed it, please enlighten me....
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Barrack Otieno wrote:
Listers,
Just googled the nominee for the ICT Secretaries post and i am a bit lost as to whether he is the right person for the job. Two things come into my mind:
1. With regional balancing Dr. Ndemo will definately not make it as principal Secretary even if he merits. For such a crucial ministry i thought we needed some continuity otherwise we might slow down or lose out on the gains we have achieved in the last couple of years, i wonder what listers think. As a public we also have an obligation to vet the nominees.
2. The nominee appears to be a governance expert as opposed to an Information and Communications Technology expert, will he inspire the ICT community to move to the next frontiers the way Kagwe, Poghisio and Ndemo did? This are some of the concerns i have whilst respecting the Presidents Choice, what do others think? Let us collect our views as an ICT community, i am willing to consolidate them and then we submit to the necessary Parliamentary Commitee.
Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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participants (19)
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Alex Gakuru -
Alice Munyua -
Barrack Otieno -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Daniel Otieno Omondi -
Edith Adera -
George Nyabuga -
Gilda Odera -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
Joly MacFie -
kelvin githira -
Kivuva -
Mark Mwangi -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
Network of non- formal Educational institutions -
Pamela -
Ronald Ojino -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau -
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