Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya
Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: * Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
Listers Greetings. This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same. Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’ OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues. Rgds Grace Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear listers, Find attached an invitation to a breakfast meeting on 10th October to discuss this issue. Best Alice On 02/10/2012 13:03, Grace Githaiga wrote:
Listers
Greetings.
This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.
Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’
OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion.
*Question:*
1.Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?
2.What role should intermediaries play?
3.Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?
Please feel free to respond to any of the issues.
Rgds
Grace
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
* Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Dear listers, Find attached an invitation to a breakfast meeting on 10th October to discuss this issue. Best Alice On 02/10/2012 13:03, Grace Githaiga wrote:
Listers
Greetings.
This is a follow up to Alice?s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.
Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.?
OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ?Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast?.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion.
*Question:*
1.Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?
2.What role should intermediaries play?
3.Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?
Please feel free to respond to any of the issues.
Rgds
Grace
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
* Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Hi Alice Good to see Min of Info Com taking leadership in this important subject. Regards Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Dear listers,
Find attached an invitation to a breakfast meeting on 10th October to discuss this issue.
Best Alice
On 02/10/2012 13:03, Grace Githaiga wrote:
Listers Greetings.
This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.
Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’
OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion.
Question:
1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?
2. What role should intermediaries play?
3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?
Please feel free to respond to any of the issues.
Rgds
Grace
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Grace and all A good piece on intermediary liability. I look forward to the discussions next week. This is a touchy area which in my opinion remains undefined and subject to interpretations depending on what side of the fence you find yourself. For example it is a known fact that the US Government periodically asks Google and other search engines to provide search histories of known Pedophiles. Is this a violation of one's privacy? Or can we argue that the Government is justified in this particular case? How about the fact that known and well established global companies/Brands like Amazon and PayPal were used to blunt the bite of wikileaks by denying it the use of its domain and payment systems? This is a clear case of the US Government coercing these companies to do something that doesn't pass muster in the name of 'National Security'. As a country where do we draw the line? At what point do we say this is for the good of the community and quash personal freedoms? Do our ideas of personal freedoms and the good of the community equate to the western value system? These are weighty questions that we as a society must address. And now. The ongoing cases of two bloggers charged with various offenses will be instrumental. The judiciary is faced with a situation of monumental delicateness and import. We do hope that they will treat it with the weightiness it deserves. I look forward to Wednesday's breakfast discussions. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Listers Greetings.
This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.
Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’
OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion.
Question:
1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?
2. What role should intermediaries play?
3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?
Please feel free to respond to any of the issues.
Rgds
Grace
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Thanks AliYou raise important points which center on violation of privacy, denial by companies/brands to deny use of its domain(s) and really where do we draw the line as far as our freedoms are concerned. All these points have been noted. Listers, the floor is still open. We still go back to the questions raised yesterday: Question:1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?2. What role should intermediaries play?3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?Please feel free to respond to any of the issues today, and tomorrow we can move on to the next step. Thanks you.Rgds Grace CC: alice@apc.org; isoc@lists.my.co.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke From: ali@hussein.me.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Defining intermediary liability in Kenya Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:03:03 +0300 To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Grace and all A good piece on intermediary liability. I look forward to the discussions next week. This is a touchy area which in my opinion remains undefined and subject to interpretations depending on what side of the fence you find yourself. For example it is a known fact that the US Government periodically asks Google and other search engines to provide search histories of known Pedophiles. Is this a violation of one's privacy? Or can we argue that the Government is justified in this particular case? How about the fact that known and well established global companies/Brands like Amazon and PayPal were used to blunt the bite of wikileaks by denying it the use of its domain and payment systems? This is a clear case of the US Government coercing these companies to do something that doesn't pass muster in the name of 'National Security'. As a country where do we draw the line? At what point do we say this is for the good of the community and quash personal freedoms? Do our ideas of personal freedoms and the good of the community equate to the western value system? These are weighty questions that we as a society must address. And now. The ongoing cases of two bloggers charged with various offenses will be instrumental. The judiciary is faced with a situation of monumental delicateness and import. We do hope that they will treat it with the weightiness it deserves. I look forward to Wednesday's breakfast discussions. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Listers Greetings. This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same. Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’ OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues. Rgds Grace Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
Interesting discussion. My view is that all players must understand that freedom comes with responsibility and absolute freedom is a mirage. Globalization presents immense opportunities and challenges and the balancing act is quite delicate. The challenge is the point of balance to ensure that privacy is not violated to the extent that whoever is being protected does not also infringe on others privacy through their actions.with all these threat of terrorism and other ills. In the case of intermediaries, to what extent should they be liable to the action of others and when it comes to disclosure, what should be the guiding principles? Jane Thuo From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:09 AM To: info@amwik.org Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: [kictanet] Defining intermediary liability in Kenya Thanks Ali You raise important points which center on violation of privacy, denial by companies/brands to deny use of its domain(s) and really where do we draw the line as far as our freedoms are concerned. All these points have been noted. Listers, the floor is still open. We still go back to the questions raised yesterday: Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues today, and tomorrow we can move on to the next step. Thanks you. Rgds Grace _____ CC: alice@apc.org; isoc@lists.my.co.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke From: ali@hussein.me.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Defining intermediary liability in Kenya Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:03:03 +0300 To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Grace and all A good piece on intermediary liability. I look forward to the discussions next week. This is a touchy area which in my opinion remains undefined and subject to interpretations depending on what side of the fence you find yourself. For example it is a known fact that the US Government periodically asks Google and other search engines to provide search histories of known Pedophiles. Is this a violation of one's privacy? Or can we argue that the Government is justified in this particular case? How about the fact that known and well established global companies/Brands like Amazon and PayPal were used to blunt the bite of wikileaks by denying it the use of its domain and payment systems? This is a clear case of the US Government coercing these companies to do something that doesn't pass muster in the name of 'National Security'. As a country where do we draw the line? At what point do we say this is for the good of the community and quash personal freedoms? Do our ideas of personal freedoms and the good of the community equate to the western value system? These are weighty questions that we as a society must address. And now. The ongoing cases of two bloggers charged with various offenses will be instrumental. The judiciary is faced with a situation of monumental delicateness and import. We do hope that they will treat it with the weightiness it deserves. I look forward to Wednesday's breakfast discussions. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Listers Greetings. This is a follow up to Alice's email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same. Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.' OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include 'Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast'.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues. Rgds Grace _____ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: * Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co m The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
Good morning Listers This is a follow up to an invitation sent out last week for a breakfast meeting to discuss a study on intermediary liability in Kenya. Venue: Jacaranda Hotel Time: 7.00- 10.00 am The agenda is as follows: Welcome and background GG Initial findings of the Study Victor Kapiyo Recommendations Alice Munyua Key note Address Dr Bitange Ndemo Way forward and Discussions TESPOK Looking forward to seeing as many of you on Wednesday RgdsGG Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear Listers I hope had a great day. This is the final programme for tomorrow's breakfast meeting. This will be a paperless meeting and therefore we will not be printing this programme. Looking forward to seeing many of you. Breakfast Meeting on Intermediary Liability in Kenya Date: October 10, 2012 Venue: Jacaranda Hotel Time: 7.00- 10.00 am Welcome and background Grace Githaiga, KICTANet Initial findings of the Study Victor Kapiyo, KICTANet Recommendations Alice Munyua, KICTANet Remarks by the Industry Regulator Francis Wangusi, Director General, CCK Key note Address Dr Bitange Ndemo, PS, Ministry of Information and Communication Way forward and Discussions Fiona Asoga, TESPOK
Dear Listers I hope had a great day. This is the final programme for tomorrow's breakfast meeting. This will be a paperless meeting and therefore we will not be printing this programme. Looking forward to seeing many of you. Breakfast Meeting on Intermediary Liability in Kenya Date: October 10, 2012 Venue: Jacaranda Hotel Time: 7.00- 10.00 am Welcome and background Grace Githaiga, KICTANet Initial findings of the Study Victor Kapiyo, KICTANet Recommendations Alice Munyua, KICTANet Remarks by the Industry Regulator Francis Wangusi, Director General, CCK Key note Address Dr Bitange Ndemo, PS, Ministry of Information and Communication Way forward and Discussions Fiona Asonga, TESPOK _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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