Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers
Dear all, How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya? Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422 Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
Hi David, You raise a good point. Net neutrality is treating all internet traffic equal. But consider this, you are a service provider and you offer unlimited internet for ksh2000/month, then some dude torrents several Terabytes on that plan, will you be in business? Regards On 10/08/2013, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Kivuva That's besides the point. Don't offer 'unlimited' Internet if its not limited and your are hoodwinking users. In fact this issue goes beyond net neutrality to ethical business practices. A few months ago there was the same discussion on the list and I'm gratified to note that some Service Providers have stopped this habit. Just offer bundles and let us make an informed choice. What is not right though is sell bundles and then throttle bandwidth through some new terminology known as 'Fair Use'. This is something that the Regulator should definitely look into. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Hi David,
You raise a good point. Net neutrality is treating all internet traffic equal. But consider this, you are a service provider and you offer unlimited internet for ksh2000/month, then some dude torrents several Terabytes on that plan, will you be in business?
Regards
On 10/08/2013, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
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Thank you Ali. I know you are very passionate about net neutrality and classical Internet Governance. Of course the operators and regulator should do the right thing. But besides all the discussion on real unlimited internet, why don't we have affordable unlimited internet? What is the background? Most of the time, we compare the cost with the West and the East. Why are they able to provide cheap unlimited internet? CONTENT! This is where we should focus our energy. If we prevent Internet traffic from getting outside our boarders, we will have hit the jackpot. Most of the time when we download data, mirrors will be either in the East or West, never within. The moment we will have our own hosted Dropbox, Gmail, Online gaming, social networks, e.t.c, we shall see real broadband at the speed of light for a fraction of what we get now, and this will save operators the huge amounts they pay for international traffic. Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein Sent: 10/08/2013 3.49.06 pm To: Kivuva Cc: Davis Onsakia; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers
You hit the nail on the head! Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2013, at 12:30 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali. I know you are very passionate about net neutrality and classical Internet Governance. Of course the operators and regulator should do the right thing.
But besides all the discussion on real unlimited internet, why don't we have affordable unlimited internet? What is the background? Most of the time, we compare the cost with the West and the East. Why are they able to provide cheap unlimited internet? CONTENT! This is where we should focus our energy. If we prevent Internet traffic from getting outside our boarders, we will have hit the jackpot. Most of the time when we download data, mirrors will be either in the East or West, never within. The moment we will have our own hosted Dropbox, Gmail, Online gaming, social networks, e.t.c, we shall see real broadband at the speed of light for a fraction of what we get now, and this will save operators the huge amounts they pay for international traffic.
Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein Sent: 10/08/2013 3.49.06 pm To: Kivuva Cc: Davis Onsakia; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers
FYI: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/83897-ispa-internet-exchanges-8gbps-a... On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
You hit the nail on the head!
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113/ 0770 906375
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On Aug 11, 2013, at 12:30 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali. I know you are very passionate about net neutrality and classical Internet Governance. Of course the operators and regulator should do the right thing.
But besides all the discussion on real unlimited internet, why don't we have affordable unlimited internet? What is the background? Most of the time, we compare the cost with the West and the East. Why are they able to provide cheap unlimited internet? CONTENT! This is where we should focus our energy. If we prevent Internet traffic from getting outside our boarders, we will have hit the jackpot. Most of the time when we download data, mirrors will be either in the East or West, never within. The moment we will have our own hosted Dropbox, Gmail, Online gaming, social networks, e.t.c, we shall see real broadband at the speed of light for a fraction of what we get now, and this will save operators the huge amounts they pay for international traffic.
Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein Sent: 10/08/2013 3.49.06 pm To: Kivuva Cc: Davis Onsakia; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers
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Very interesting link McTim. I've nooded with keen interest the statement that users have taken up "Uncapped broadband services". And that is what we should be fighting for in Kenya. Affordable uncapped prices. For those in the know, which service provider has the cheapest "uncapped service" without the "fair use service/terms and conditions apply" clause? On 12/08/2013, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
FYI:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/83897-ispa-internet-exchanges-8gbps-a...
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
You hit the nail on the head!
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113/ 0770 906375
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2013, at 12:30 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali. I know you are very passionate about net neutrality and classical Internet Governance. Of course the operators and regulator should do the right thing.
But besides all the discussion on real unlimited internet, why don't we have affordable unlimited internet? What is the background? Most of the time, we compare the cost with the West and the East. Why are they able to provide cheap unlimited internet? CONTENT! This is where we should focus our energy. If we prevent Internet traffic from getting outside our boarders, we will have hit the jackpot. Most of the time when we download data, mirrors will be either in the East or West, never within. The moment we will have our own hosted Dropbox, Gmail, Online gaming, social networks, e.t.c, we shall see real broadband at the speed of light for a fraction of what we get now, and this will save operators the huge amounts they pay for international traffic.
Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein Sent: 10/08/2013 3.49.06 pm To: Kivuva Cc: Davis Onsakia; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers
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Also, "a steady increase in the number of international CDNs deploying nodes into South Africa" would explain increased 'local' traffic.. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Very interesting link McTim. I've nooded with keen interest the statement that users have taken up "Uncapped broadband services". And that is what we should be fighting for in Kenya. Affordable uncapped prices. For those in the know, which service provider has the cheapest "uncapped service" without the "fair use service/terms and conditions apply" clause?
On 12/08/2013, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
FYI:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/83897-ispa-internet-exchanges-8gbps-a...
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
You hit the nail on the head!
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113/ 0770 906375
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2013, at 12:30 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali. I know you are very passionate about net neutrality and classical Internet Governance. Of course the operators and regulator should do the right thing.
But besides all the discussion on real unlimited internet, why don't we have affordable unlimited internet? What is the background? Most of the time, we compare the cost with the West and the East. Why are they able to provide cheap unlimited internet? CONTENT! This is where we should focus our energy. If we prevent Internet traffic from getting outside our boarders, we will have hit the jackpot. Most of the time when we download data, mirrors will be either in the East or West, never within. The moment we will have our own hosted Dropbox, Gmail, Online gaming, social networks, e.t.c, we shall see real broadband at the speed of light for a fraction of what we get now, and this will save operators the huge amounts they pay for international traffic.
Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein Sent: 10/08/2013 3.49.06 pm To: Kivuva Cc: Davis Onsakia; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers
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Dear Kivuva, I agree with you absolutely. But what we need to keep in mind is that as we talk about content, this content need to flow freely over the Net - without any limitation or filtering due to some 'fine print' conditions in a service provider's contract with its user(s)! Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> To: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>; Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>; "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers Thank you Ali. I know you are very passionate about net neutrality and classical Internet Governance. Of course the operators and regulator should do the right thing. But besides all the discussion on real unlimited internet, why don't we have affordable unlimited internet? What is the background? Most of the time, we compare the cost with the West and the East. Why are they able to provide cheap unlimited internet? CONTENT! This is where we should focus our energy. If we prevent Internet traffic from getting outside our boarders, we will have hit the jackpot. Most of the time when we download data, mirrors will be either in the East or West, never within. The moment we will have our own hosted Dropbox, Gmail, Online gaming, social networks, e.t.c, we shall see real broadband at the speed of light for a fraction of what we get now, and this will save operators the huge amounts they pay for international traffic. Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein Sent: 10/08/2013 3.49.06 pm To: Kivuva Cc: Davis Onsakia; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers
@Ali, That is precisely the point. Offer what you can guarantee you can provide! And that is why we need regulator's intervention. But can CCK intervene if there is no policy governing such an area? Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> Cc: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>; "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers Kivuva That's besides the point. Don't offer 'unlimited' Internet if its not limited and your are hoodwinking users. In fact this issue goes beyond net neutrality to ethical business practices. A few months ago there was the same discussion on the list and I'm gratified to note that some Service Providers have stopped this habit. Just offer bundles and let us make an informed choice. What is not right though is sell bundles and then throttle bandwidth through some new terminology known as 'Fair Use'. This is something that the Regulator should definitely look into. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Hi David,
You raise a good point. Net neutrality is treating all internet traffic equal. But consider this, you are a service provider and you offer unlimited internet for ksh2000/month, then some dude torrents several Terabytes on that plan, will you be in business?
Regards
On 10/08/2013, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the
Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited
Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which
these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in
regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this
piece by the
Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
Regards and many thanks,
Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you
settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
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I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination. The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/ In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality. j On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
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That is very informative MacFie. The point that is a major stabling block in the region is "the high cost of external transit traffic". Probably the local operators can comeup with very cheap rates for local traffic peering at the KIXP so that local businesses, innovators, and techies can realise the advantage that local content has on their expenses. This way, we will have stakeholders insisting on content being hosted locally On 11/08/2013, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination.
The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf
As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/
In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html
In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality.
j
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd*
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The local high prices conversation always ends up blaming external transit traffic and offering IXP as the solution. Be that as it may, the same international bandwidth cost to services providers dropped by 90 per cent when TEAMS cable was connected. But the cost saving only resulted in marginal price reductions, at least initially, and lately been rising. Draw analogy to MTR reduction by the regulator and operators refused to lower mobile phone prices to consumers. Let's face it, we have crooked internet companies out to fleece us dry. On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
That is very informative MacFie. The point that is a major stabling block in the region is "the high cost of external transit traffic".
Probably the local operators can comeup with very cheap rates for local traffic peering at the KIXP so that local businesses, innovators, and techies can realise the advantage that local content has on their expenses. This way, we will have stakeholders insisting on content being hosted locally
On 11/08/2013, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination.
The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf
As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/
In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html
In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality.
j
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd*
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This may be helpful: http://royal.pingdom.com/2013/03/12/broadband-prices/ On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
The local high prices conversation always ends up blaming external transit traffic and offering IXP as the solution.
Be that as it may, the same international bandwidth cost to services providers dropped by 90 per cent when TEAMS cable was connected. But the cost saving only resulted in marginal price reductions, at least initially, and lately been rising.
Draw analogy to MTR reduction by the regulator and operators refused to lower mobile phone prices to consumers.
Let's face it, we have crooked internet companies out to fleece us dry.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
That is very informative MacFie. The point that is a major stabling block in the region is "the high cost of external transit traffic".
Probably the local operators can comeup with very cheap rates for local traffic peering at the KIXP so that local businesses, innovators, and techies can realise the advantage that local content has on their expenses. This way, we will have stakeholders insisting on content being hosted locally
On 11/08/2013, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination.
The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf
As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/
In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html
In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality.
j
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
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In the past Kenyan IGF, Ali noted "With all competitors in the industry laying fibre across town and country, the final cost will be footed by the end user, me and you". The shareholder wants to reap today, not after ten years, which is in itself immoral. Prices will definitely come down, but we need help from the regulator, and setting favourable laws. We have been waiting for the market to correct itself for too long. On 11/08/2013, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
The local high prices conversation always ends up blaming external transit traffic and offering IXP as the solution.
Be that as it may, the same international bandwidth cost to services providers dropped by 90 per cent when TEAMS cable was connected. But the cost saving only resulted in marginal price reductions, at least initially, and lately been rising.
Draw analogy to MTR reduction by the regulator and operators refused to lower mobile phone prices to consumers.
Let's face it, we have crooked internet companies out to fleece us dry.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
That is very informative MacFie. The point that is a major stabling block in the region is "the high cost of external transit traffic".
Probably the local operators can comeup with very cheap rates for local traffic peering at the KIXP so that local businesses, innovators, and techies can realise the advantage that local content has on their expenses. This way, we will have stakeholders insisting on content being hosted locally
On 11/08/2013, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination.
The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf
As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/
In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html
In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality.
j
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
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Kivuva Indeed. This issue has become very vital to ensure Universal Access at affordable prices. During the launch of the Broadband Strategy a few weeks ago a lot was said about Universal Access, the issue of putting together regulation to ensure that Service Providers use the same infrastructure to lay pipes etc. Fact is this:- as the regulator keeps on talking the Service Providers are digging..where will policy meet action? Lastly you know that Net Neutrality is still an elephant in the room in Kenya. What is the official policy of the government in this? Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
In the past Kenyan IGF, Ali noted "With all competitors in the industry laying fibre across town and country, the final cost will be footed by the end user, me and you". The shareholder wants to reap today, not after ten years, which is in itself immoral.
Prices will definitely come down, but we need help from the regulator, and setting favourable laws. We have been waiting for the market to correct itself for too long.
On 11/08/2013, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
The local high prices conversation always ends up blaming external transit traffic and offering IXP as the solution.
Be that as it may, the same international bandwidth cost to services providers dropped by 90 per cent when TEAMS cable was connected. But the cost saving only resulted in marginal price reductions, at least initially, and lately been rising.
Draw analogy to MTR reduction by the regulator and operators refused to lower mobile phone prices to consumers.
Let's face it, we have crooked internet companies out to fleece us dry.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
That is very informative MacFie. The point that is a major stabling block in the region is "the high cost of external transit traffic".
Probably the local operators can comeup with very cheap rates for local traffic peering at the KIXP so that local businesses, innovators, and techies can realise the advantage that local content has on their expenses. This way, we will have stakeholders insisting on content being hosted locally
On 11/08/2013, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination.
The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf
As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/
In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html
In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality.
j
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
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This is basically my question: '.....Net Neutrality is still an elephant in the room in Kenya. What is the official policy of the government in this? ' Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers Kivuva Indeed. This issue has become very vital to ensure Universal Access at affordable prices. During the launch of the Broadband Strategy a few weeks ago a lot was said about Universal Access, the issue of putting together regulation to ensure that Service Providers use the same infrastructure to lay pipes etc. Fact is this:- as the regulator keeps on talking the Service Providers are digging..where will policy meet action? Lastly you know that Net Neutrality is still an elephant in the room in Kenya. What is the official policy of the government in this? Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: In the past Kenyan IGF, Ali noted "With all competitors in the
industry laying fibre across town and country, the final cost will be footed by the end user, me and you". The shareholder wants to reap today, not after ten years, which is in itself immoral.
Prices will definitely come down, but we need help from the regulator, and setting favourable laws. We have been waiting for the market to correct itself for too long.
On 11/08/2013, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
The local high prices conversation always ends up blaming external transit
traffic
and offering IXP as the solution.
Be that as it may, the same international bandwidth cost to services
providers
dropped by 90 per cent when TEAMS cable was connected. But the cost saving
only resulted in marginal price reductions, at least initially, and lately
been rising.
Draw analogy to MTR reduction by the regulator and operators refused to
lower
mobile phone prices to consumers.
Let's face it, we have crooked internet companies out to fleece us dry.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
wrote:
That is very informative MacFie. The point that is a major stabling
block in the region is "the high cost of external transit traffic".
Probably the local operators can comeup with very cheap rates for
local traffic peering at the KIXP so that local businesses,
innovators, and techies can realise the advantage that local content
has on their expenses. This way, we will have stakeholders insisting
on content being hosted locally
On 11/08/2013, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under
the
bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open
Internet
Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars,
transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination.
The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department
the
FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of
the
industry took to heart,
http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf
As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an
opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many
people
pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is
considered
gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained
opposition
In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps
were
in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external
transit.
. Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet..
http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are
complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many
of
them from major content providers,
In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu,
who
coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more
concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to
selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run
around
neutrality.
j
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for
accessing
the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued
'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms
under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have
any
policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read
this
piece by the Economist:
*Regards and many thanks,
Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less
than
you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd*
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A good question Ali. I'm not sure if Wambua is on the list to give the official position of the regulator. On 11/08/2013, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Kivuva
Indeed. This issue has become very vital to ensure Universal Access at affordable prices.
During the launch of the Broadband Strategy a few weeks ago a lot was said about Universal Access, the issue of putting together regulation to ensure that Service Providers use the same infrastructure to lay pipes etc. Fact is this:- as the regulator keeps on talking the Service Providers are digging..where will policy meet action?
Lastly you know that Net Neutrality is still an elephant in the room in Kenya. What is the official policy of the government in this?
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113/ 0770 906375
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
In the past Kenyan IGF, Ali noted "With all competitors in the industry laying fibre across town and country, the final cost will be footed by the end user, me and you". The shareholder wants to reap today, not after ten years, which is in itself immoral.
Prices will definitely come down, but we need help from the regulator, and setting favourable laws. We have been waiting for the market to correct itself for too long.
On 11/08/2013, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
The local high prices conversation always ends up blaming external transit traffic and offering IXP as the solution.
Be that as it may, the same international bandwidth cost to services providers dropped by 90 per cent when TEAMS cable was connected. But the cost saving only resulted in marginal price reductions, at least initially, and lately been rising.
Draw analogy to MTR reduction by the regulator and operators refused to lower mobile phone prices to consumers.
Let's face it, we have crooked internet companies out to fleece us dry.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
That is very informative MacFie. The point that is a major stabling block in the region is "the high cost of external transit traffic".
Probably the local operators can comeup with very cheap rates for local traffic peering at the KIXP so that local businesses, innovators, and techies can realise the advantage that local content has on their expenses. This way, we will have stakeholders insisting on content being hosted locally
On 11/08/2013, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination.
The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf
As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/
In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html
In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality.
j
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422
*Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd*
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Dear Joly, Thanks for all these information. Seems indeed a lot has happened. Will go through and be better informed. Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> To: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Network neutrality and the case of Kenya's Internet service providers I note that story is from 2009. Quite a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. In the USA the FCC eventually derived its Open Internet Order http://www.fcc.gov/guides/open-internet with its three pillars, transparency, no blocking, and no unreasonable discrimination. The "unlimited" issue was addressed earlier by a different department the FTC who delivered a smackdown to ISP provider Sprint that the rest of the industry took to heart, http://www.ftc.gov/os/closings/staff/070808sprintnextelclosingltr.pdf As far as data caps go, many ISPs welcome them as it gives them an opportunity to institute tiered pricing. Evidence shows that many people pay more than they have to, just in case they need it. This is considered gouging in some quarters to the point where there is sustained opposition see http://stopthecap.com/ In the case of the Australian NBN, often touted as an exemplar, caps were in from the word go due to the, like Kenya, high costs of external transit. . Take a look at the pricing plan of on major Aussie ISP iinet.. http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/ These are complimented by an extensive local "freezone" of cap-free hosts, many of them from major content providers, http://www.iinet.net.au/fibre/freezone.html In the USA the original spokesmen for Net Neutrality - namely Tim Wu, who coined the term, and Susan Crawford - have both moved on to be more concerned with antitrust issues, as, for example, the power of ISPs to selectively provide cap exemptions becomes effectively an end run around neutrality. j On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear all,
How 'neutral' is Kenya's mobile service providers networks for accessing the Net? There has been cases where some providers have discontinued 'Unlimited Internet' access offers due to the 'violation' of the terms under which these offers were made in the first place. Does CCK have any policies in regard to net neutrality for ISPs and MSPs alike in Kenya?
Some background information about network neutrality, you can read this piece by the Economist: http://www.economist.com/node/14517422?story_id=14517422 Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
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