Dear Members,

Hope that this finds you well.

in our registration process we need 25 members,who are already subscribed as ISOC members.

(all members of a chapter must be members of ISOC). Kindly use the same name(s)(as the ones you use in ISOC,) for verification,purposes.

add your name on the link below.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArDnnGk2dZYhdGJqV1ZrTzJibEk0MVVnYjk5aXA2ZVE&hl=en_US


Kind Regards,



“To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan


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  1. Re:  Next Steps - Chapter Formation Process (McTim)
  2. Re:  Next Steps - Chapter Formation Process (Barrack Otieno)
  3. Re:  Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke (Alex Ngatia)
  4. Re:  Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke (Grace Mutung'u (Bomu))
  5. Re:  Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke (McTim)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:11:29 +0300
From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com>
To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Cc: isoc@lists.my.co.ke
Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Next Steps - Chapter Formation Process
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All,

Applying for a chapter seems to be a relatively painless process.

To become an official chapter of ISOC you need to apply for recognition and
provide the following documents:

  1. An official
Application<http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/application/appli.shtml>
  .
  2. A completed set of
bylaws<http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/guidelines/bylaws.shtml>.
  These chapter bylaws should conform to ISOC chapter policies.
  3. Your Chapter also needs to have at least 25 Members who are subscribed
  as ISOC members (all members of a chapter must be members of ISOC).

The time-consuming bits will be too form and NGO (if that is what we wantt o
do/must do) and agree on what we want our chapter to do (and the Bylaws).

So let's work on the by-laws and mission, then apply.

--
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel



On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Listers,
>
> During our last meeting we established two working groups one on the
> Chapter formation process and another one on membership. Chapter Formation
> was to be led by McTim and at this juncture we would wish to request him to
> direct us on the next steps, for membership we also request Judy and Tim to
> tell us what is required, i have a draft copy of bylaws which i will
> circulate on the list.  It was prepared by a member John Njoroge, your
> comments on the same are welcome.
>
>
>
> --
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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:42:19 +0300
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
To: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com>, isoc@lists.my.co.ke
Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Next Steps - Chapter Formation Process
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McTim, all,

I circulated a set of bylaws prepared by JK Njoroge a member, let's go
through them and comment.

On 9/1/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> Applying for a chapter seems to be a relatively painless process.
>
> To become an official chapter of ISOC you need to apply for recognition and
> provide the following documents:
>
>    1. An official
> Application<http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/application/appli.shtml>
>    .
>    2. A completed set of
> bylaws<http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/guidelines/bylaws.shtml>.
>    These chapter bylaws should conform to ISOC chapter policies.
>    3. Your Chapter also needs to have at least 25 Members who are subscribed
>    as ISOC members (all members of a chapter must be members of ISOC).
>
> The time-consuming bits will be too form and NGO (if that is what we wantt o
> do/must do) and agree on what we want our chapter to do (and the Bylaws).
>
> So let's work on the by-laws and mission, then apply.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Barrack Otieno
> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> During our last meeting we established two working groups one on the
>> Chapter formation process and another one on membership. Chapter Formation
>> was to be led by McTim and at this juncture we would wish to request him
>> to
>> direct us on the next steps, for membership we also request Judy and Tim
>> to
>> tell us what is required, i have a draft copy of bylaws which i will
>> circulate on the list.  It was prepared by a member John Njoroge, your
>> comments on the same are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Barrack O. Otieno
>> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
>> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
>> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
>>  <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
>> +254721325277
>> +254-20-2498789
>> Skype: barrack.otieno
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> isoc mailing list
>> isoc@lists.my.co.ke
>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
>>
>>
>

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Barrack O. Otieno
Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
<http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
+254721325277
+254-20-2498789
Skype: barrack.otieno


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:35:54 +0300
From: Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>
To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Cc: isoc@lists.my.co.ke
Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke
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Hi guys,

Good draft. Quite some work you've put into it. I guess it will be
refined as we go along, but as for me I currently have no
additions/subtractions to make.

On 9/1/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
> Listers,
>
> Kindly go through the attached document prepared by one of us, let us
> comment on the same before the next meeting.
>
> --
> Barrack O. Otieno
> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> +254721325277
> +254-20-2498789
> Skype: barrack.otieno
>


--
Regards,

Alex


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:47:18 +0300
From: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu@gmail.com>
To: Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>
Cc: isoc@lists.my.co.ke
Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke
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Hi
First of all, thank you very much for this work. It is quite long and it
seems a lot of thinking went into it. Please consider the following, that
may need debate/explanation/improvement:

On a really organisational kind of way, I am confused. Shall members elect a
board then elect officers? Will that not lead to two centres of power? What
are the functions of the board that are so different from the officers? Can
these be merged?
How about members elect a board/office and the board/office employs a
secretariat to run the office if necessary?
How about members vote for officers, a chair, deputy chair etc and then
nominate representatives to the Committee from under-represented sectors.
Alternatively, members vote and find a way to have sector representatives by
naming organisations that can nominate?

However, considering the document as it is, here are some comments on the
articles as they appear.
Name: I would prefer ISOC KE to suggested the KENISOC:)

There is need to define ISOC as it appears severally in the document but by
mere reading of the by-laws, one cannot tell what ISOC is.

Objects/Purpose: Can we try to incorporate what members had expressed in
earlier discussions, eg to achieve universal Internet access, education,
training? etc

(Art III 2 on Membership classes: Why can these not be decided in the
by-laws so that a member joining already knows the class they are joining?
In fact later on "individual members" are mentioned but they are not
defined.
Which brings the question, does one have to be a Kenyan citizen to be a
member?

Art IV Board of Trustees: Under what criteria do we weigh some sectors as
heavier than others? Isn't it better to have all sectors equally
represented?

I suggest that in members of the Board we can add a general provision for
persons who have experience in matters related to Internet Governance etc so
as to accommodate very good people who may be from any of the sectors at a
time when that sector is already represented. Under such a provision we can
limit the number of these "other experienced persons" to a maximum of three?

In describing gender parity, the practice nowadays is to say, at least one
third must be from either gender:)

towards the end of the document there are two mentions of "senior manager".
Who is that? Article XII and XIII have many strange ideas that needed to
have been defined earlier...senior manager, chapters....They need to be
adopted to these by-laws so that they can be in tandem with the rest of the
document.

------------------
Once again thanks to the people who undertook this task.
Cheers,
Grace.
2011/9/1 Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>

> Hi guys,
>
> Good draft. Quite some work you've put into it. I guess it will be
> refined as we go along, but as for me I currently have no
> additions/subtractions to make.
>
> On 9/1/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Listers,
> >
> > Kindly go through the attached document prepared by one of us, let us
> > comment on the same before the next meeting.
> >
> > --
> > Barrack O. Otieno
> > Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> > www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
> > www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
> > <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> > +254721325277
> > +254-20-2498789
> > Skype: barrack.otieno
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Alex
>
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:51:33 +0300
From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com>
To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Cc: isoc@lists.my.co.ke
Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke
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Hi,

Where did these come from? (copy and pasted from somewhere else I imagine,
as it would be a lot of work to write up new by-laws from scratch!)

here are my nits picked:

1.ii
"To represent the Kenyan Internet community in government committees and in
other local and international forums that deal with the various
technical, legal and social aspects of the Internet,"

Are such bodies as ISOC allowed to sit on government committees? Or are we
talking about things like the ICT Board and IPv6 forum??


I would like Section 1. to say more about increasing Interent access in
Kenya I think.

When did we decide we would have dues paying members?  I had thought that
was an open issue?

Section 7:

"7. Any members of the Chapter may file charges against a member by filing a
written complaint with the Secretary of the Chapter."

WTF is this about? Is this needed? really?


Article IV

2". Board membership shall be drawn from key sectors of the Kenyan
Internet community, primarily sponsoring organizations:


Government (1)

Private Sector (2)

Academia (1)

Civil Society (1)

Members-at-large (2)"


I'm not so keen on divvying up seats like this.  What if we can't find a
good person from gov't to sit on the Board?  Will we be then forced to have
a clueless person on the Board just to satisfy the By-laws?

Same with the other stakeholder groups I think.


In general I think we will have problems due to the gender parity rules.


If there are 7 board Members, and 1/3 must be women, then that means at
least 3 women.  If there are 4 officer seats, and a 1/3 must be women, then
that means 2 women at all times must be Officers.

What if we have problems recruiting that many women willing to serve?

Article XII 1:

"All proposed changes to these Chapter Bylaws shall have been approved by
the Senior Manager, Chapters and individual Memberships"

Who is the "Senior Manager" ?

In general I find it to be a very formal document, suggesting physical
offices, Standing committees, etc.  Will we be able to sustain such an
operation?

What will our source(s) of funding come from?

For a first draft tho, it's not bad!

Regards,

McTim



On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Kindly go through the attached document prepared by one of us, let us
> comment on the same before the next meeting.
>
> --
> Barrack O. Otieno
> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
>  <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> +254721325277
> +254-20-2498789
> Skype: barrack.otieno
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> isoc mailing list
> isoc@lists.my.co.ke
> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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>


--
Cheers,

McTim
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indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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