From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
To: Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>; "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke
Thanks Walu, Vincent and McTim, we are certainly on the right track,
we need more views from members, what do the rest.
On 9/2/11, Barrack Otieno
<
otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well said Davis, Grace can you help us edit the by laws?
>
> On 9/2/11, Davis Onsakia <
mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Barrack et al.
>>
>> This is a great document and indeed it must have taken Njoroge some time
>> to
>> come up with it.
>>
>> Some of my observations:
>>
>> - I will prefer the name ISOC Kenya (ISOC KE) rather than KENISOC -
>> KENISOC
>> sounds like some obscure NGO in some rural setup
>> - I will prefer the status to be a society rather than an NGO - this is
>> in
>> keeping in trend with Internet Society naming conventions- it is a
>> society
>>
- On gender representation, I believe in appointing or recruitment or
>> seconding people based on their competencies - there are rather many
>> qualified people of either gender out there to serve in a professional
>> entity. Bear in mind that this is not some political outfit.
>>
>> More of my observations are on the attached document.
>>
>> In general, we need to 'Kenyanize' the document.
>>
>> Regards and many thanks,
>> Davis M Onsakia
>>
>> 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than
>> you
>> settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Barrack Otieno <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
>> To: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <
nmutungu@gmail.com>; McTim
>> <
dogwallah@gmail.com>;
>>
isoc@lists.my.co.ke>> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 1:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke
>>
>> Absolutely Grace, I wonder what's the take of members, should we just
>> be a society or an NGO, I prefer the former, secondly how will the
>> society relate with our cctld registry?
>>
>> On 9/1/11, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <
nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> BTW, this society also has to be registered in Kenya with the Registrar
>>> of
>>> Societies.
Someone should keep that in mind as we apply for the chapter
>>> registration too.
>>> Yes, I will be happy to assist once people have given their input.
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> 2011/9/1 Barrack Otieno <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Thanks McTim and Grace for your insightfull responses, Grace and any
>>>> other members from the legal fraternity, do you mind volunteering your
>>>> expertise to help refine the document, as mentioned a member
>>>> volunteered to put this together and it is great to see the reactions
>>>> coming forth, what do other members think?, Jolie posted a copy of
>>>> bylaws for the NY chapter we can also compare the two.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/1/11, McTim
<
dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > Where did these come from? (copy and pasted from somewhere else I
>>>> imagine,
>>>> > as it would be a lot of work to write up new by-laws from scratch!)
>>>> >
>>>> > here are my nits picked:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1.ii
>>>> > "To represent the Kenyan Internet community in government committees
>>>> > and
>>>> in
>>>> > other local and international forums that deal with the various
>>>> > technical, legal and social aspects of the Internet,"
>>>> >
>>>> > Are such bodies as ISOC allowed to sit on government committees? Or
>>>> >
are
>>>> we
>>>> > talking about things like the ICT Board and IPv6 forum??
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I would like Section 1. to say more about increasing Interent access
>>>> > in
>>>> > Kenya I think.
>>>> >
>>>> > When did we decide we would have dues paying members? I had thought
>>>> > that
>>>> > was an open issue?
>>>> >
>>>> > Section 7:
>>>> >
>>>> > "7. Any members of the Chapter may file charges against a member by
>>>> filing a
>>>> > written complaint with the Secretary of the Chapter."
>>>> >
>>>> > WTF is this about? Is this needed? really?
>>>> >
>>>>
>
>>>> > Article IV
>>>> >
>>>> > 2". Board membership shall be drawn from key sectors of the Kenyan
>>>> > Internet community, primarily sponsoring organizations:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Government (1)
>>>> >
>>>> > Private Sector (2)
>>>> >
>>>> > Academia (1)
>>>> >
>>>> > Civil Society (1)
>>>> >
>>>> > Members-at-large (2)"
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm not so keen on divvying up seats like this. What if we can't
>>>> > find
>>>> > a
>>>> > good person from gov't to sit on the Board? Will we be then forced
>>>> > to
>>>>
have
>>>> > a clueless person on the Board just to satisfy the By-laws?
>>>> >
>>>> > Same with the other stakeholder groups I think.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > In general I think we will have problems due to the gender parity
>>>> > rules.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > If there are 7 board Members, and 1/3 must be women, then that means
>>>> > at
>>>> > least 3 women. If there are 4 officer seats, and a 1/3 must be
>>>> > women,
>>>> then
>>>> > that means 2 women at all times must be Officers.
>>>> >
>>>> > What if we have problems recruiting that many women willing to serve?
>>>> >
>>>> > Article XII 1:
>>>>
>
>>>> > "All proposed changes to these Chapter Bylaws shall have been
>>>> > approved
>>>> > by
>>>> > the Senior Manager, Chapters and individual Memberships"
>>>> >
>>>> > Who is the "Senior Manager" ?
>>>> >
>>>> > In general I find it to be a very formal document, suggesting
>>>> > physical
>>>> > offices, Standing committees, etc. Will we be able to sustain such
>>>> > an
>>>> > operation?
>>>> >
>>>> > What will our source(s) of funding come from?
>>>> >
>>>> > For a first draft tho, it's not bad!
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> > McTim
>>>> >
>>>>
>
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Barrack Otieno
>>>> > <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Listers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Kindly go through the attached document prepared by one of us, let
>>>> >> us
>>>> >> comment on the same before the next meeting.
>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> > McTim
>>>> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>>>> > route
>>>> > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>>>> >
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