Well said Davis, Grace can you help us edit the by laws? On 9/2/11, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack et al.
This is a great document and indeed it must have taken Njoroge some time to come up with it.
Some of my observations:
- I will prefer the name ISOC Kenya (ISOC KE) rather than KENISOC - KENISOC sounds like some obscure NGO in some rural setup - I will prefer the status to be a society rather than an NGO - this is in keeping in trend with Internet Society naming conventions- it is a society - On gender representation, I believe in appointing or recruitment or seconding people based on their competencies - there are rather many qualified people of either gender out there to serve in a professional entity. Bear in mind that this is not some political outfit.
More of my observations are on the attached document.
In general, we need to 'Kenyanize' the document.
Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia
'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd
________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com>; McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com>; isoc@lists.my.co.ke Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke
Absolutely Grace, I wonder what's the take of members, should we just be a society or an NGO, I prefer the former, secondly how will the society relate with our cctld registry?
On 9/1/11, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW, this society also has to be registered in Kenya with the Registrar of Societies. Someone should keep that in mind as we apply for the chapter registration too. Yes, I will be happy to assist once people have given their input. Cheers!
2011/9/1 Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Thanks McTim and Grace for your insightfull responses, Grace and any other members from the legal fraternity, do you mind volunteering your expertise to help refine the document, as mentioned a member volunteered to put this together and it is great to see the reactions coming forth, what do other members think?, Jolie posted a copy of bylaws for the NY chapter we can also compare the two.
On 9/1/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Where did these come from? (copy and pasted from somewhere else I imagine, as it would be a lot of work to write up new by-laws from scratch!)
here are my nits picked:
1.ii "To represent the Kenyan Internet community in government committees and in other local and international forums that deal with the various technical, legal and social aspects of the Internet,"
Are such bodies as ISOC allowed to sit on government committees? Or are we talking about things like the ICT Board and IPv6 forum??
I would like Section 1. to say more about increasing Interent access in Kenya I think.
When did we decide we would have dues paying members? I had thought that was an open issue?
Section 7:
"7. Any members of the Chapter may file charges against a member by filing a written complaint with the Secretary of the Chapter."
WTF is this about? Is this needed? really?
Article IV
2". Board membership shall be drawn from key sectors of the Kenyan Internet community, primarily sponsoring organizations:
Government (1)
Private Sector (2)
Academia (1)
Civil Society (1)
Members-at-large (2)"
I'm not so keen on divvying up seats like this. What if we can't find a good person from gov't to sit on the Board? Will we be then forced to have a clueless person on the Board just to satisfy the By-laws?
Same with the other stakeholder groups I think.
In general I think we will have problems due to the gender parity rules.
If there are 7 board Members, and 1/3 must be women, then that means at least 3 women. If there are 4 officer seats, and a 1/3 must be women, then that means 2 women at all times must be Officers.
What if we have problems recruiting that many women willing to serve?
Article XII 1:
"All proposed changes to these Chapter Bylaws shall have been approved by the Senior Manager, Chapters and individual Memberships"
Who is the "Senior Manager" ?
In general I find it to be a very formal document, suggesting physical offices, Standing committees, etc. Will we be able to sustain such an operation?
What will our source(s) of funding come from?
For a first draft tho, it's not bad!
Regards,
McTim
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Listers,
Kindly go through the attached document prepared by one of us, let us comment on the same before the next meeting.
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