Dear Members,
Hope that this finds you well.
in our registration process we need 25 members,who are already subscribed as
ISOC members.
(all members of a chapter must be members of ISOC). Kindly use the same
name(s)(as the ones you use in ISOC,) for verification,purposes.
add your name on the link below.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArDnnGk2dZYhdGJqV1ZrTzJibEk0MV…
Kind Regards,
“To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and
what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.”
Kofi Annan
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> 1. Re: Next Steps - Chapter Formation Process (McTim)
> 2. Re: Next Steps - Chapter Formation Process (Barrack Otieno)
> 3. Re: Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke (Alex Ngatia)
> 4. Re: Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke (Grace Mutung'u (Bomu))
> 5. Re: Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke (McTim)
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> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:11:29 +0300
> From: McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com>
> To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: isoc(a)lists.my.co.ke
> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Next Steps - Chapter Formation Process
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> All,
>
> Applying for a chapter seems to be a relatively painless process.
>
> To become an official chapter of ISOC you need to apply for recognition and
> provide the following documents:
>
> 1. An official
> Application<http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/application/appli.shtml>
> .
> 2. A completed set of
> bylaws<http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/guidelines/bylaws.shtml>.
> These chapter bylaws should conform to ISOC chapter policies.
> 3. Your Chapter also needs to have at least 25 Members who are subscribed
> as ISOC members (all members of a chapter must be members of ISOC).
>
> The time-consuming bits will be too form and NGO (if that is what we wantt
> o
> do/must do) and agree on what we want our chapter to do (and the Bylaws).
>
> So let's work on the by-laws and mission, then apply.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dear Listers,
> >
> > During our last meeting we established two working groups one on the
> > Chapter formation process and another one on membership. Chapter
> Formation
> > was to be led by McTim and at this juncture we would wish to request him
> to
> > direct us on the next steps, for membership we also request Judy and Tim
> to
> > tell us what is required, i have a draft copy of bylaws which i will
> > circulate on the list. It was prepared by a member John Njoroge, your
> > comments on the same are welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Barrack O. Otieno
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Dear Barrack,
thank you, unfortunately, I do not have Christines' contacts, could you
please forward them to me or better still just send her an email to that
effect?
thank you,once again.
To all,
thank you, for all that have taken time to register.....if you are an ISOC
member and would like to register as a Kenya ISOC Member, kindly add your
name to the list. on google docs, link,below.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArDnnGk2dZYhdGJqV1ZrTzJibEk0MV…
Thank you, for all your time.
Kind Regards,
“To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and
what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.”
Kofi Annan
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> From: Judy Okite <judyokite(a)gmail.com>
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> Dear Members,
> >
> > Hope that this finds you well.
> >
> > as w continue, delving, with the by-laws, in our registration process we
> > need 25 members,who are already subscribed as ISOC members.
> >
> if you would like to be a registered ISOC_Kenya,member,(all members of a
> chapter must be members of ISOC).
>
>
> > please register, kindly use the same name(s)(as the ones you use in
> ISOC,)
> > for verification,purposes.
> >
> > add your name on the link below.
> >
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArDnnGk2dZYhdGJqV1ZrTzJibEk0MV…
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > ?To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and
> > what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.?
> > Kofi Annan
> >
> >
>
Hello all,
Congrats and thanks to all who took time to prepare the draft bylaws.
@McTim, the by-laws seem to have been to a large extent copy pasted from the
ISOC New york chapter bylaws - hence the featuring of the term 'Executive
Committee' which should have been edited out to read 'Board of Trustees'.
Anyways, ISOC provides a template for chapter by-laws here :
http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/guidelines/bylaws.shtml, which should be
used by the working group doing the bylaws because it requires inclusion of
some mandatory phrases to the chapter bylaws document.
I like the structure that has been outlined in the template i.e offices-
chair, vice chair, secretary (we can opt for an assistant secretary), and
treasurer (we can also opt for an assistant treasurer as well); and then the
overall executive council/committee consisting of the officers, exoficio
officers, standing committee members and we can opt to include other
internet stakeholders here such as government, media etc. The membership can
be classified as individual members and organizational members and even
student members if we want to catch 'em while they are young.
BR,
Brenda
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> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 11:00:54 +0300
> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>
> To: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu(a)gmail.com>, Walubengo J
> <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com>,
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> Listers,
>
> Grace has volunteered to lead a working group that will redo the
> bylaws, if you are interested please let her know on the list, I
> propose that we have another meeting on Friday next week, let's
> propose the time so that we can try identify a suitable venue,
> meanwhile let us continue sending in our comments on the draft bylaws
> and the type of organisation we would want whether a society or an
> NGO.
>
> On 9/2/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Grace, I would go for a Society as stated earlier NGOs can be a
> > headache to manage.
> >
> > On 9/2/11, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> To decide the body we want, we must first agree on what ISOC Kenya wants
> >> to
> >> do. Here is some basic info:
> >> --------
> >> Society: 10 or more people registered under the Societies Act for
> >> purposes
> >> of association. Easy to register and operate as one only has to have
> >> elections as per society's Constitution and file annual returns which do
> >> not
> >> attract many taxes.
> >> Ideal for democratic groups of people associating as a co-curricular
> >> activity because members can carry out a wide scope of activities as
> >> described in their constitution.
> >> Requirements for registration: constitution,registered office, interim
> >> officials, statutory fees...
> >>
> >> Trust/Foundation: Very ambiguous in Kenyan law. Requires execution of a
> >> trust deed with names of trustees. returns require filing of trust
> >> accounts
> >> (because a trust basically means keeping properties on behalf of others)
> >> Many foundations which carry out a lot of activities end up just
> >> registering
> >> a company limited by guarantee (eg KENIC)where the law is clearer.
> >>
> >> NGO "Non-Governmental Organization" means a private voluntary grouping
> of
> >> individuals or associations, not operated for profit or for other
> >> commercial
> >> purposes but which have organized themselves nationally or
> >> internationally
> >> for the benefit of the public at large and for the promotion of social
> >> welfare, development charity or research in the areas inclusive of, but
> >> not
> >> restricted to, health, relief, agriculture, education, industry and the
> >> supply of amenities and services.....this definitely excludes public
> >> bodies
> >>
> >> To register an NGO one needs a constitution, a declaration on offices of
> >> the
> >> organization;the head office and postal address of the organization; the
> >> sectors of the proposed operations; the districts, divisions and
> >> locations
> >> of the proposed activities; the proposed average annual budgets; the
> >> duration of the activities; all sources of funding;national and
> >> international affiliation.
> >> They are subject to taxes.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Grace
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/9/2 Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>> You can also be a Trust. Mayb @Bomu could explore which is the better
> >>> option..Society, NGO, Trust, Foundation etc.
> >>>
> >>> walu.
> >>>
> >>> --- On *Fri, 9/2/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>* wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Draft By Laws ISOC_Ke
> >>> To: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu(a)gmail.com>, "McTim" <
> >>> dogwallah(a)gmail.com>, isoc(a)lists.my.co.ke
> >>> Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 1:02 AM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Absolutely Grace, I wonder what's the take of members, should we just
> >>> be a society or an NGO, I prefer the former, secondly how will the
> >>> society relate with our cctld registry?
> >>>
> >>> On 9/1/11, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)
> >>> <nmutungu(a)gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=nmutungu@gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > BTW, this society also has to be registered in Kenya with the
> >>> > Registrar
> >>> of
> >>> > Societies. Someone should keep that in mind as we apply for the
> >>> > chapter
> >>> > registration too.
> >>> > Yes, I will be happy to assist once people have given their input.
> >>> > Cheers!
> >>> >
> >>> > 2011/9/1 Barrack Otieno
> >>> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com<
> http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Thanks McTim and Grace for your insightfull responses, Grace and any
> >>> >> other members from the legal fraternity, do you mind volunteering
> >>> >> your
> >>> >> expertise to help refine the document, as mentioned a member
> >>> >> volunteered to put this together and it is great to see the
> reactions
> >>> >> coming forth, what do other members think?, Jolie posted a copy of
> >>> >> bylaws for the NY chapter we can also compare the two.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 9/1/11, McTim
> >>> >> <dogwallah(a)gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=dogwallah@gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> > Hi,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Where did these come from? (copy and pasted from somewhere else I
> >>> >> imagine,
> >>> >> > as it would be a lot of work to write up new by-laws from
> scratch!)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > here are my nits picked:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 1.ii
> >>> >> > "To represent the Kenyan Internet community in government
> >>> >> > committees
> >>> and
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> > other local and international forums that deal with the various
> >>> >> > technical, legal and social aspects of the Internet,"
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Are such bodies as ISOC allowed to sit on government committees?
> Or
> >>> are
> >>> >> we
> >>> >> > talking about things like the ICT Board and IPv6 forum??
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I would like Section 1. to say more about increasing Interent
> >>> >> > access
> >>> in
> >>> >> > Kenya I think.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > When did we decide we would have dues paying members? I had
> >>> >> > thought
> >>> >> > that
> >>> >> > was an open issue?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Section 7:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > "7. Any members of the Chapter may file charges against a member
> by
> >>> >> filing a
> >>> >> > written complaint with the Secretary of the Chapter."
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > WTF is this about? Is this needed? really?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Article IV
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 2". Board membership shall be drawn from key sectors of the Kenyan
> >>> >> > Internet community, primarily sponsoring organizations:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Government (1)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Private Sector (2)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Academia (1)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Civil Society (1)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Members-at-large (2)"
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I'm not so keen on divvying up seats like this. What if we can't
> >>> >> > find
> >>> a
> >>> >> > good person from gov't to sit on the Board? Will we be then
> forced
> >>> >> > to
> >>> >> have
> >>> >> > a clueless person on the Board just to satisfy the By-laws?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Same with the other stakeholder groups I think.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > In general I think we will have problems due to the gender parity
> >>> rules.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > If there are 7 board Members, and 1/3 must be women, then that
> >>> >> > means
> >>> at
> >>> >> > least 3 women. If there are 4 officer seats, and a 1/3 must be
> >>> >> > women,
> >>> >> then
> >>> >> > that means 2 women at all times must be Officers.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > What if we have problems recruiting that many women willing to
> >>> >> > serve?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Article XII 1:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > "All proposed changes to these Chapter Bylaws shall have been
> >>> >> > approved
> >>> >> > by
> >>> >> > the Senior Manager, Chapters and individual Memberships"
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Who is the "Senior Manager" ?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > In general I find it to be a very formal document, suggesting
> >>> >> > physical
> >>> >> > offices, Standing committees, etc. Will we be able to sustain
> such
> >>> >> > an
> >>> >> > operation?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > What will our source(s) of funding come from?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > For a first draft tho, it's not bad!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Regards,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > McTim
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Barrack Otieno
> >>> >> > <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com<
> http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
> >>> >wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> Listers,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Kindly go through the attached document prepared by one of us,
> let
> >>> >> >> us
> >>> >> >> comment on the same before the next meeting.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >> >> Barrack O. Otieno
> >>> >> >> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> >>> >> >> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
> >>> >> >> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
> >>> >> >> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> >>> >> >> +254721325277
> >>> >> >> +254-20-2498789
> >>> >> >> Skype: barrack.otieno
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
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> >>> >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > Cheers,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > McTim
> >>> >> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
> A
> >>> >> > route
> >>> >> > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Barrack O. Otieno
> >>> >> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> >>> >> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
> >>> >> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
> >>> >> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> >>> >> +254721325277
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> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu)
> >>> > Kenya
> >>> > Skype: gracebomu
> >>> > Twitter: GraceMutung'u (Bomu)
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from my mobile device
> >>>
> >>> Barrack O. Otieno
> >>> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> >>> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
> >>> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
> >>> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> >>> +254721325277
> >>> +254-20-2498789
> >>> Skype: barrack.otieno
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> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu)
> >> Kenya
> >> Skype: gracebomu
> >> Twitter: GraceMutung'u (Bomu)
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Sent from my mobile device
> >
> > Barrack O. Otieno
> > Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> > www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
> > www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
> > <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> > +254721325277
> > +254-20-2498789
> > Skype: barrack.otieno
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> Barrack O. Otieno
> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
> +254721325277
> +254-20-2498789
> Skype: barrack.otieno
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Dear Listers,
During our last meeting we established two working groups one on the Chapter
formation process and another one on membership. Chapter Formation was to be
led by McTim and at this juncture we would wish to request him to direct us
on the next steps, for membership we also request Judy and Tim to tell us
what is required, i have a draft copy of bylaws which i will circulate on
the list. It was prepared by a member John Njoroge, your comments on the
same are welcome.
--
Barrack O. Otieno
Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
<http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
+254721325277
+254-20-2498789
Skype: barrack.otieno
Listers,
You may have noticed that we received a large number of emails that had been
withheld recently. This is due to the fact that a number of members have not
subscribed to the list on behalf of the list admin i would like to request
all members to subscribe so that you can receive emails from other members.
Do not hesitate to contact us if you have any difficulty.
Kind Regards
--
Barrack O. Otieno
Afriregister Ltd (Kenya)
www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi,
www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com>
<http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar
+254721325277
+254-20-2498789
Skype: barrack.otieno
